These aren’t objective
Eh… maybe spirit bond, but you take away kill command and coordinated assault, and the pet is effectively a couple utilities.
Hi. The point was both MSV and BM are dependent on their pets, Irregardless of pet dps. I mistook Mawthornes statement:
as a suggestion that pets were less important to MSV as compared to BM. Sorry.
So, you think BM designers have been slacking off? Or better put, and what I myself think is Hunter Class designers have been slacking off on BM(and MM).
Your entire post is nothing but conjecture and biased opinions.
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Yeah, I think BM and MM design has been lackluster. They both share stated themes that I enjoy in other games, but those themes don’t come through in gameplay.
BM in particular, every time an exotic pet has an interesting ability, that ability gets nerfed.
The whole class design and balance team could use new leadership.
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Or better put, and what I myself think is Class designers have been slacking off
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Yep, agreed.
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How to tell someone doesnt play SV
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lol I didn’t even notice this
Does Bepples not realize that BM and MM are easier to play than SV
Kinda dampens his whole “if you like SV you have melee brain” argument
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He’s not wrong. Bomb is a great part of SVs kit, but it was perfectly important all expansion without being the only impactful ability. Even then, every other ability had its importance measured by how much it helped you bomb. Should I use this ability? As long as I have enough focus for carve to reduce my bomb cd…
I do think wildfire infusion is great, but I dont think it should be baseline. I like to play with other talents. Any additional attention given to bombs makes them a burden to the spec instead of a boon.
“Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself”
I was literally going off Podra’s comments in the discord. The 2 set makes Wildfire Bomb massively overshadow everything else. Most build variation is now gone (every DPS tier has just 1 viable choice) and spending each turbo-buffed Wildfire Bomb is the maximum priority. The set bonus is so central that you even ignore your WFI bomb colour once Mad Bombardier has procced. Other than that, you just keep Serpent Sting up on the target and use Raptor Strike as a filler.
That really isn’t complex. There is some added complexity via squeezing extra DPS out of Bloodseeker and Tip of the Spear, but the largest and most important part of the damage profile is Wildfire Bomb and Mad Bombardier, particularly once any extra targets get involved. Are MM and BM easier? I would still call BM easier, but not by as much as much as many think. MM is in my opinion simpler at a mechanics level once the 4 set gets involved, but you have to manage movement well to get the most DPS out of it since the 4 set adds a lot to the standstill casting burden. This isn’t Legion anymore. SV is no longer on a different tier of plate-spinning to everything else.
P.S. It’s very notable that Wildfire Bomb has eclipsed everything else in the spec. It’s the strongest ability in theme, mechanics, and numerical output. SV isn’t really the “melee spec” anymore… it’s the “Wildfire Bomb spec”. So one has to wonder why being melee is apparently such a critical part, especially when you consider Wildfire Bomb isn’t even a particularly good thematic fit for being melee. This goes back to the argument that SV isn’t getting any particular value specifically from being melee. After all, can’t we just have ranged Survival with Wildfire Bomb? Since WFB is the most significant and iconic part of the spec as it stands, that means a hypothetical ranged Survival could preserve the best parts of the current iteration while not having any of the downsides of being melee (of which there are many).
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Yeaaaa dont do this. Never listen to someone who hasnt a clue how a spec works as hes never played it.
MM isnt the ranged spec anymore… its the aimed shot spec.
BM isnt the Pet spec anymore… its the BW spec.
I really need to have some of what you smokin.
Its like you really believe melee can never out do range no matter what. Lol like damn bra.
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So you have no idea what you’re talking about
Oof
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i doubt any of these melee alt rpers actually go to the hunter discord lol
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I like to think of it as the thrown stuff spec, particularly when chakrams and harpoon are factored in. If there was a troll headhunter tomahawk ability or glyph to replace serpent stings crossbow, id be in heaven. Especially on my wildhammer gryphon rider themed dwarf hunter.
Not without utility. Melee DPS need utility, and if a ranged hunter can bring the same utility then you bring the ranged hunter.
Controversial take: what if we had ranged SV but with Wildfire Bomb instead of Explosive Shot
equip a bow as msv and gg. your welcome bra.
I mean at that point just play what you like cause if they have the same tool set its no real difference.
Range could be called a tool.