This is a forum that the dev’s don’t even read, no one is “rallying” behind me, you’ve completely misconstrued a simple like button, let alone stalking who is liking people’s posts. Chill.
Dev HQ: “OMG someone called another player TRASH! That’s it, I’m going to delete all the work I did on this spec”
^ is this what you’re imagining? Because it’s insane lmfao.
Compared to most things on this forum section, this isnt even anything.
But they did bring it back Tome of the Wilds: Treant Form: Use: Teaches druids the Treant Form ability. Added in patch 7.0.3 Sold by Lorelae Wintersong in Moonglade.
Do those things add to a Warrior’s dps?
NO. They played different, the abilities were different. They were played differently, as their approach was different.
A person playing Hunter could form the opinion that the two specs had the same play-style, by being really, really, REALLY inept at playing a Hunter outside of the BM spec.
By the way, Defence vs. Defense? both are considered correct.
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Devs agree with me and not you. You can type no in all caps to your heart’s content if it makes you feel better, but you’re wrong.
And defence is not considered correct, wrong once again slappy.
No lol
All I’m seeing is people like you say you want RSV back, then putting your own argument in the dumpster because you don’t know how to present it.
No need to be so hostile and dramatic. It’s a video game
Look out guys, we got a Blizzard Dev in the forums. Obviously a high ranking one, at that. Really putting the foot down.
Just like Ogdenir replied, tree form did come back for the resto druids who liked it. It lost the +healing aura thing from when it was a talent, but that’s just numbers. Other than that, literally exactly the same and available to any druid who wants it.
Oh look, we also have a mind reader too. So insightful. I wish I knew exactly what every Blizz Dev was thinking all the time!
Maybe they did back in Legion. I wouldn’t be so sure anymore.
Look at the difference between Legion MSV and Shadowlands MSV.
Look at the 180 they’ve done on spec over class design.
Every iteration of SV has pushed it back towards range.
If I were the Devs, I would be discouraged. I mean… people said they wanted SV to be ranged, and we tried to give them that and they are still rejecting the spec out of some tribalist loyalty to an ancient version of the spec, from the dawn of true specs.
People aren’t rejecting MSV because it isn’t exactly like Cata RSV…
They’re rejecting it because it’s not ranged period.
I would love to see RSV brought back with a different theme. Like Dark Ranger or Priestess of the Moon.
You have your preferences ofc, that’s all good. I however think that would be a mistake. RSV wasn’t the same as the Dark Ranger fantasy. It had an ability called Black Arrow, but the actual signature of how it allowed you to reanimate the corpse of the enemy, wasn’t there. Apart from that, the only similarity between Dark Rangers and Hunters is the fact that they both use a ranged weapon. Though Dark Rangers stick to bows, not guns, or crossbows.
If anything, the Dark Ranger fantasy would be much more suited for its own class. Not as a part of the hunter class. Much due to their heavy focus on unholy magic.
In short, RSV should be brought back because of its fantasy and theme of being a Munitions Expert and Trapper. Not as something else.
It isn’t not ranged… period.
And I’m not saying that it shouldnt go back to equipping a ranged weapon. Because why not have one class that can equip a weapon type exclusively and have that pretty much be the cornerstone of the class?.. like DH. Except without the two specs filling separate roles and the clearer theme of demonic powers.
But I digress… what I was saying is that, as a community we are rejecting the SV spec (or it would seem so) even when the devs seem to be offering an olive branch in the form of increased ranged functionality, and even access to ranged weapon abilities. Why would they continue in that direction?
As members of that community, we can see that those concessions arent enough, for reasons. We can say “Im not playing SV until it is completely functional at range with an equipped ranged weapon.” but just looking at numbers, making the spec more ranged isnt making it more popular. We aren’t giving them much to work with. We are something like a middle east problem. Two groups of extremely similar people who think they couldnt be more different, fighting over the same piece of territory.
The original 9 classes were based on the units from the Warcraft RTS. Hunters are a combination of many different race specific units. The classes were left open ended by design so any race that could play them could make it their own.
Black arrow without the necromancy is exactly what I’m talking about. The conflict was removed. A shadow / dark side of nature spec would suit the hunter class just fine.
Dark Rangers are to Hunters what Shadow Priests are to Priests.
Because it’s an all or nothing kind of deal. Melee is a deal breaker.
I think… dark rangers are exclusively elven and undead elves at that, right? Like… Sylvanas specifically rallied her former rangers and helped them break free of the Lich King. Even though Nathanos was a human ranger, allowing that as an option would make Nathanos’ story unremarkable.
The story of warcraft was kind of elf-centric for a long time, I think mostly because Samwise and Metzen liked drawing elf babes (no judgement here). And given the choice between two elf exclusive classes, the illidari were the obvious choice, especially considering we werent doing a wrath of the lich king 2.
Shadow priests are just not the same. Shadow priests are mostly undead, because of the Cult of Forgotten Shadow, but those beliefs were developed from the writings of a human found hidden in the Undercity. Furthermore, void and shadow were much more ambiguous in the past, so there were shadow priests of any race (like trolls) who just happen to be more crazy than undead because of the maddening effects of the void.
TLDR- Dark Ranger is race exclusive while Shadow Priest is not.
It wasnt… for like 4 iterations of the original game. Not just for SV either. For all three specs. The only downside to acquiring and maintaining a melee weapon was a brief inequality (in perception mostly) during cata. Having some melee attached to melee weapons was a part of the class as a whole. Ranged weapons were not exclusive to hunters all the way through Wrath (though in wrath most BiS for warriors and rogues was thrown weapons, and casters equipped wands).
Despite hunters being huntards, often undertuned, despite needing to maintain different pets for different content, feed them and keep them happy, despite needing to use a bag slot for ammo, and buy or make ammo almost locking all hunters in to engineering, despite pet AI and autoshot accounting for so many wipes in so many instances… despite all of that, hunter was extremely popular even with melee weapons.
Thats not to say the melee weapon should have been returned the way it was. Making one spec the bearer of all melee hunter themes was a bad idea. Im just saying having some melee in the class was never a deal breaker. Saying so now just muddies the water.
Have you considered playing one of the ranged specs available
We have to acknowledge that SV was the best fit for ranger fantasy. BM being… well… more of a beast master fantasy. MM likewise has a fantasy somewhat removed from the ranger fantasy, with sniper-rogue/ranged weaponmaster vibes. SV was the ranged skirmisher. The guerilla fighter, staying on the move and whittling down his/her foes. It was the most classic ranger.
I think the playstyle fits that fantasy better now than ever, but for people who want to Legolas (movie version) their fantasy, having no bow ruins it. They had it before and now its gone. It doesnt exist in MM or BM.
Shadow Priests aren’t race exclusive anymore. The idea started with the Forsaken and was expanded to other races. They made it more inclusive. That’s my entire point. They can make a spec loosely based on the dark ranger concept and give it broader appeal by making it more inclusive. Something an undead, void elf, troll, or worgen could play and feel right at home.
Not exactly. The lore is that the cult of Forgotten Shadow started with the writings of a human. Shadow was also important to trolls (who had shadow hunters). The void had cultists of all races, all over the planet. There was never a racial exclusivity of shadow priesthood, only The Cult of Forgotten Shadow, as the state religion of the Forsaken.