Survival spec change to make more relevant

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

@Bepples-barthilas

The reason I brought it up is because when you look at Survival’s direction beyond Classic you realise it wasn’t arbitrary. They were answering the same question you were answering: “How do you make Survival more relevant?”. Each change along the way addressed part of the problem or new problems that popped up. That’s how iterative design works.

I would agree.

I was quite surprised when I found out about that interview with the lead devs at the time, where they stated a big reason for changing SV into melee for Legion was that they thought it was too similar to that of MM.

I mean, put aside people’s opinions on similarities/differences.
Look at the development of the spec going forward. Why not just continue on adding things that further pushes for the theme/definition of what the old SV was meant to be about?

Why not do the same with SV as they did with BM and MM(and all other specs), going into Legion?

The only thing that I can come up with, is that those who at the time made the decisions regarding development, really just wanted to give Hunters a melee-spec.
They didn’t put any real work/time into trying to improve RSV(for the whole of WoD really) because of choices to make it melee.

I know the above sounds negative. But what else could it be?
Opinions on current similarities between specs weren’t valid reasons anyway due to the intended changes to class design, going forward.

@Bepples-barthilas

After you do that and you decide you want to move the spec beyond a simple support role, you can come up with core damage abilities that make sense for Survival and its utilitarian nature, such as a shot that has TNT attached to it. But Survival uses traps, right? Gotta tie those in somehow, so to make the rotation less static you can add a proc that lets you use that exploding projectile more often based on when you trap something. But what about when you can’t trap something? Maybe add another special shot that gives you that proc for those situations; make it another DoT so you have frequent “dice rolls” for the proc based on each tick. That’s two buffed projectiles for SV, so why not move Serpent Sting into that spec instead of MM since MM is more physical damage anyway, and make a bunch of effects that buff Serpent Sting?..

… yeah, hopefully now you can see why they took the path they did with SV.

This did make me smile a bit @Bepples

I know that you have thrown me a like or two towards my suggestions for a potential design for RSV(Thanks btw!). But I wouldn’t mind getting some more feedback on it. More towards if there’s something you would want to change, remove, or add. And why.

Always fun to hear from someone else who was/is passionate about the spec we used to have.
If you want to, probably best to put it in the link below as the topic we’re in here is not really about that:
#[Suggestions updated] Pre-Legion/Ranged Survival

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@Zillophy-felstriker

ah thanks you that’s given me more understanding now, as well as I understand classic wow is basically a museum piece no one wants it to change or change much

I appreciate that you have a vision for what you would want a spec to be like.
Always interesting to get to read about what other players find enjoyable.
Having said that, like you mentioned yourself, it is not likely that any spec/playstyle changes will be implemented into Classic simply due to the fact that they want to keep it as close to the old game as possible.

Could it possibly happen in the future? Who knows.
But I doubt it.