Yeah, I was taking that as a given. Don’t really think that would be a hard change to bake into a Survival Lone Wolf talent though.
You say hunter class identity when you ignore that there are plenty of lore hunters and archtypes that used melee weapons. Not to mention that Survival was the OG melee tree for the Hunter class in WoW.
What real benefit is there for ‘yet another’ ranged spec on a class like the hunter? Atleast with a class like a mage, you can justify having three ranged specs by having each spec cover a different elements with different unique effects… not just ‘burst vs dot’ damage which was Marksmanship vs Survival pre-legion… and yes, I did play survival as a ranged spec as well as the melee versions (both Vanilla+BC and Legion and beyond).
-edits to add-
Also, I am not saying get rid of pets… just give the option for survival to be able to play without them in the same way Marksman Hunters can. It is about flexibility.
Power to both the return of hunters having melee and tge survival that was sacrificed for it. Let both specs rise back up, allow WoW to give freedom to choice and let no predetermined class identity limit one from choosing what they find fun based on another’s imagination or lazy developer not wanting to balance.
In the words of the man hunter class hails from “Let the hunt begin!”
I swore - even though i don’t really visit hunter forums much - i saw plenty of request for Lone Wolf Survival.
Call me crazy, but wasn’t there’s a time where ranged survival can also choose to be lone wolf?
Is it your goal to be the biggest douchebag in this thread? I’ll gladly take a vacation to tell you that it certainly looks that way.
Sick to death of morons that insist you post on a toon that is of the same class that’s being discussed just to show that you’re “invested” or something. At this point in the game, if you don’t have (or had) multiple mains/alts of multiple classes after playing for 15 years , then I don’t even know what to say. I have a horde and alliance version of every class and then some. I suspect most players that have been around that long do.
In short, melee SV is fun. It feels more distinct from the other two specs and I like it. I’m entitled to feel that way. So you can get bent.
While I thought survival’s mechanics/rotation/design were all pretty craptastic when I last tried the spec out, I do like the idea of a melee hunter spec overall.
Change back to ranged? Please no. Make the mechanics less lame? By all means!
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They could pull a gladiator warrior deal and have a talent change survival to ranged so both communities would be happy if they don’t want to do a 4th spec.
Not trying to sound religious as I’m not but Amen to that OP.
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Until range survival wanters act according they deserve to go without and will go without.
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How about… no? Go play a different spec and if that’s too much go play a different class.
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Down with melee survival rabble rabble rabble rabble.
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All survival needs is a reason to EVER bring it over any of the ranged specs. It brings zero extra utility so unless it is pulling like 10%+ ahead of both the other hunter specs it will never see play at a competitive level. You are restricted to like 6-ish melee spots in mythic raiding and have monk/dh/warrior locked in for buffs if they aren’t tanking. I don’t think anyone would honestly say they would rather have a SV Hunter in one of the last spots over something like a Rogue/Paladin/DK who offer way more utility (Cloak, BoP/LoH, Grips).
Again this is under the assumption their numbers aren’t so absurdly far ahead to make up for it.
I love the current version. I do wish it was a fourth spec though, just so people that liked the old version could still enjoy it.
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I can tell you why.
Last i recall, in the hunter forum i belief, he says he’s ‘not obligated’ to show respect or even sympathy to those who ‘took his spec away’.
That’s a courageous statement, which display sheer honesty - and of course, egotism.
I might not agree to what he says, but i respect his right to get skewered by the rest of you guys.
Sorry man, I’m in the group of loving Survival as a melee spec. We got two other specs for ranged, leave my melee spec alone!
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While i am in the group of wanting old SV back, I am also in the group of, “Lets give MSV lone wolf!” I would love that. I guess they would just need to change Kill Command and the talent where hunter and pet strike together (i can’t remember its name) work without pet.
NO. I love survival as a melee spec, besides, what made survival stand out vs MM and BM? Absolutely nothing, it was wasted space.
“No, Hunters already have two ranged specs, there needs to be a melee spec! Besides, ranged SV was too similar to MM!”
I keep seeing this argument over and over.
You guys wanna know what this long-time Hunter player (since 2005) thinks?
“Mages don’t need three ranged specs! Let’s turn Arcane (it’s too similar to Frost) into a melee Spellbreaker spec!”
“Warriors don’t need three melee specs! Let’s turn Arms into a Tinker spec! Arms was too similar to Fury anyways!”
“Warlocks don’t need three ranged specs either! Let’s turn Destruction into a Curse melee spec! It’ll help differentiate it from Afflication!”
“Rogues don’t need three melee specs! Turning Combat into Outlaw was a decent start, and Outlaw has two ranged attacks. Let’s make Outlaw a full ranged spec!”
THAT is what I think of your argument, people-in-favor-of-melee-SV.
The burden is on YOU to show ME how my suggestions are “not the same” as the 2-or-3-ranged-specs argument for Hunters.
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Well, i mean - the Blizzard Court has made their final judgement, and the defendant was won the case.
It’s kinda up to you to make a case now, chief Prosecutor.
I would like to help you, but my prosecutor is busy trying to bring back Meta-Demo from the cold cases, and my CDI (Class Design Inspectors) are busy fighting each other on who is right.
Incorrect.
I can state that I like melee survival. I don’t have to explain myself or my reasoning behind that. I can post on my rogue when I state it, too.
No one here is obligated to show you anything.
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