Hear, hear. Survival is the best and most perfect spec ever! All it needs is to copy everything else from BM it hasn’t already copied, to be buffed to be the most unquestionably strongest spec in the game, unique crucial utility that makes it a must-have in any raid group, and a total talent rework! Then melee Survival will work out, I promise. It’s only early days, after all: it’s only been 5 years…
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Survival is amazing as is. It only has the same problem most other specs has in that there are a lot of useless talent choices.
This.
I was cheesed when they completely killed BM at the start of Wrath. Then I started playing SV and got really awesome at it.
Then they turned it into a melee spec.
How about you quit trying to ruin other specs?
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Let’s not forget that, at this time, Disc was intended to have some melee functionality. That’s why Inner Fire had that attack power boost. Some Vanilla class decisions were just weird.
My idea for what happened is someone remembered Survival used to be melee and wanted a way to distinquish it more from Marks which, lead to our situation
Insanely incorrect
MSV should have been a fourth spec, if anything.
And since we’re asking for hunter things, please revert MM to pretty much any version pre-Legion.
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I want the option to not take a pet for all the Hunter specs.
The playstyle of Survival appeals to me but I don’t want a pet.
Please leave my main spec alone. On the other hand I realize what blizzard did when they made survival melee. Instead of reworking a perfectly fine albeit unpopular spec why not add a 4th spec that gives players their old spec back in a newer, updated form?
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I hope they do bring back old Survival as a fourth spec and make it require two 1handed axe wielding like in Guild Wars 2.
Heck Rexxar would be the poster child for it.
Hunter then wouldn’t be the only class that requires one weapon for all specs.
No Just change the stupid range spells that Surv has to something melee uses and better spells, as a Surv you dont use the 3 or 4 range spells at all so idk why they are even there.
MY hang up with it.
give it a lonewolf inspired talent/ability. +x% no pet. now its more appealing.
when i try this off and on I go…no. half the fun of BM is sending the pet to stand in the poop a boss puts out. and not being there with them lol.
exhilaration even talented for focus used reducing time has a crap CD, imo. where as other melee used…has better things. Kill adds? as a warrior like you have to even ask. Those are its self heals with first shot on next target. DH, Frost DK, ret paladin…hell even rogues can pop the heal juice every 30 seconds.
Inb4 why are you standing in fire. if tank does not reposition…its stand in poop or do no damage.
The whole point of survival is to weave in and out of melee. You can have close to 100% uptime if you manage your focus and cds efficiently. You can dps and not stand in poop.
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These kids can’t wrap their heads around it.
Level 19 twink from Bleeding Hollow CONFIRMED!
Strong disagree OP survival is actually a very damn fun spec, easily top 5 gameplay loops in the game with wildfire infusion.
It just needs more bombs and traps to spice up the rotation a tad more.
Like I’ve stated in the hunter forum, just because salty old hunters don’t like a melee option, doesnt mean its a bad spec.
Highly underrated and underused, but strong especially in keys. More people should play it, and I myself play it in m+ (and love it) along with many people on my friends list who very much enjoy the spec.
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No thanks I love survival how it is now, it’s a different and fun spec
Especially now that it’s not super weak
Yeah go back to ranged combat
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I do think it’s kinda hilarious that Rexxar, the premier Beast Master is a Survival Hunter in WoW.
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I don’t know about amazing, in a positive way. In a negative way, hmmm…
MSV has had three major re-works in the last 5 years. It actually works pretty well, lots of options, the brain dead can get by, playing it, while the highly skilled player can finesse it, meaning there’s enough to the spec to BECOME highly skilled.
So, I disagree that it has the same problems other specs do with dead talents, not after 5 years of re-works.
The negative is the amazing amount of work that was put into the MSV spec, it was certainly the #1 priority in the Hunter Class, possibly #1 over-all.
The rest of the Class was left to wither, both MM and BM subjected to a “willful neglect”, which had the effect of making MSV better.
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Survival with the legendary is fun. The aoe mythic plus build. Not a fan of the single target mobgoose bite build. The necrolord legendary will also add explosive shot to death chackrams. A bunch of aoe goodness. Hopefully it will outperform the ranged specs with damage potential so players will be tempted to try it. Love it.