Biggest reason is because surv takes a higher skillcap than many classses… alot of the best hunters could be 2.5k plus a surv right now but they went marks because it is better. That what happens when a dps spec has 3 different specs to play… if one is strong the others hurt on the ladder because they arent as strong. Trust me bro get fully geared… get good teamates and glad is obtainable… wont be easy but is very possible
Obtainable does not mean viable.
Skillcap is not the answer, mages requires a decent skillcap and yet they has a big representation.
“look 0.1% hunters got glad as SV, therefore the spec is ok” its not a good argument you know?
Your intention looks ok, but measuring the spec through math is far from your point of view.
Looks like you can make good plays with your good partners, but the spec is definitely poor atm.
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Pet rez is the biggest issue, actually. Even with the 20% DR, it’s still just kill pet->train hunter->stop rez->force turtle->kill pet again->kill hunter. Without stuff like cower for active mitigation, the 4s rez makes it so that you have to use turtle to get your rez off, where before, you could more easily sneak away and get a shorter rez off.
That being said, the damage profile also does not fit in to the meta in any way. Next to 0 front loaded burst, and being so squishy - you can’t realistically hang around long enough to ramp and pull off the damage that you do have in an effective way. It needs more damage in PvE, too. I would expect to see some upward tuning on the global level for it, not just targeted pvp changes.
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why are we acting like damage is the be all and end all?
why?
on top of a flat 10% buff? yeah… gonna have to say no to that.
actually, yes it does lol…
Because in that case you must prove hunter lacks other resources instead of damage, and prove mathmatically their damage if fine compared to other classes.
Because its a fundamental tool which hunters (a class which is already underperforming ) must sacrifice in order to obtain it
You can say everything, if its right or wrong is another point.
survival hunters have some of the best utility in the game, only second to rogues.
how is it fundamental?
Second is a strong word.
Ladder proves this “phenomenal” utility is not working.
Ladder proves a single rogue spec has 10 times more representation than SV. 10 times, its not 2, 3, 4 5, or 8… its 10 times.
Sorry i was wrong, sub rogues does not have 10 times more representation than SV, they have 19 times.
The only thing that changed realistically was the pet rez and pet issues. The dmg isn’t off enough to have made it an issue.
It was viable in PvP for all of BFA and one of the best toolkits in the game. Still had lower representation due to comps it can play with and again the fact that it is melee
Again if you did any research on any of this since apparently you are “2200” you would already know all of this. MM is viable in PvP now. Even with buffs survival will be minor niche representation.
You are also aware blizzard actually confirmed it as a niche spec, meaning little representation, when they stated they would keep it as melee for the time being.
Pet is the issue. And stating otherwise just shows how hard you were carried and little knowledge of the spec and game in general.
You are just making statements wirthout any material sustaining your opinion.
if you spend 5 minutes watching any survival material in current season you will notice survival are dying before their own pet, therefore the problem is not the pet.
They are squish, they’re damage are inferior, they’re defenses are inferior. Its not about losses based on pet deaths.
It’s clear that I and others that don’t even main survival have a lot more experience and knowledge than you.
We’ve done our time, try doing yours.
Self-explanatory.
You can’t deny math, you have just a poor opinion.
You are the equivalent of the 1000io player from ragnaros doing 2k dmg in a 10 key.
“Im not survival, you are dumb, i’m smart, your rating is low, ohh you have 2200 achiev… therefore you are carried”
Such a interesting boy.
It’s hard not to say those things when you are so off base with the rest of the community. Sometimes the truth hurts. Just attempt to even remotely do research.
Thats the diference between us.
You talking about opinions.
Im talking about math.
Most of survival games PET DO NOT DIE (therefore ress pet is not the major problem).
Im pointing pet buffs won’t change the inexistent SV representation. You are saying pet is the problem.
So pet is buffed, time will tell which one is wrong.
You’ve shown no math. You are just deflecting. Pet buff won’t change a thing with the meta. It would need to be significantly buffed along with pet rez changing.
Everyone dies quick in this meta. SV has a great PvP toolkit.
Im pointing 0.4% representation while you are counter-arguing with sole guessing.
Im pointing SV has close to none representation and you are replying with “SV has a great pvp toolkit”, delusional kid.
This is wrong actually, we also lost the latent poison/wilderness survival/primeval Intuition traits that survival really relied on to function normally. If we had those back this spec would be extreme competitive. Survival damage is lacking right now.
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Also, yes our defensives aren’t the “greatest” in the game but we are not built around having those. We are built around kiting and having good pressure, unfortunately we do not have the pressure right now. A damage buff would help but 10% is a pretty dramatic number in pvp.
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