I love me some melee Hunter. Iâd probably drop SV if it went back to mandatory ranged.
If it helps, I donât think people are arguing for that, but rather a 4th spec to avoid making the same mistake to current SV enthusiasts that happened to those who enjoyed the old spec.
Hereâs the link again(my suggestions. Iâm sure there are others here who have their own preferences as well):
In a perfect world where Blizz could achieve actual class balance I could see a 4th spec workingâŚ
But in the real world with the current dev team I worry about a 4th spec turning out like Frost DKs 2h vs DW. They arenât even a true 4th spec, just a weapon choice. They are still melee and have access to all the same abilities but DW performs quite abit higher than 2h.
I think the problem of dps difference would be even more exacerbated throwing ranged vs melee into the mix.
Youâre right⌠itâs not two different specs. Itâs not intended to be two different specs. Itâs intended to be a weapon choiceâŚ
RSV as a 4th spec would actually be a 4th spec. It would have itâs own talent tree and everything.
Thatâs exactly what Iâm saying. If they canât balance that. Do you think they could balance a 4th spec ranged vs melee SV? One would preform significantly higher and thus compell more people to play it over the other while ticking off the under preforming group.
- Theyâve never been able to balance the game.
- What does the balance of a choice of weapons have to do with the balance of two actual specs?
- Theyâve never cared about balance before when they added new classes.
Exactly what I said. If they cannot balance one spec with a choice of two different melee weapons how do you expect them to balance two different specs of Survival, especially when one is ranged and one is melee?
As you said:
To which I said that one will preform higher and thus attract more players while the under performing spec will suffer and upset the diehards.
This is irrelevant as weâre discussing a 4th spec of Survival. I simply gave the example of DKs to illustrate Blizzardâs lack of ability to balance what should be relatively simple.
The point I was making is that the ability to balance a weapon choice or any spec relative to another spec in this game is largely irrelevant. Balance can and does shift between specs all the time. The meta will always be the meta, and thus what people expect, even if there is a 1% different between 1st and last.
Saying but they canât balance 2h vs DW is like saying they canât balance the talents on the same row in⌠pick a class and talent row. It doesnât matter.
Why? Because you said so? Because you think it should be? If balancing was as simple as you seem to think it should be, the entire game would be perfectly balanced at all times.
stick to your rogue.
Itâs been the least popular and most problematic spec since its inception in Legion with near daily threads begging for Blizzard to save the spec. It clearly is NOT fine and saying itâs fine requires extreme ignorance and melee favouritism.
Damn, you would have to play a different melee such as the one youâre posting from.
Yeah, exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.
I think you might have missed the ârelativelyâ part of that statement. Relatively in this context meaning âViewed in comparison with something else rather than absolutely.â So relative to balancing two classes, or even two specs of the same class⌠Two weapons of the same range type, of the same spec, of the same class, should be relatively simple to balance. But apparently itâs not. As you said they canât even balance talents. But we already agreed that Blizz is bad at balancing. SoâŚ
Phew, in that case itâs a good thing Blizz doesnât show any sign of changing Survival to ranged only, huh? Am I right? Yeah, Iâm right.
Iâm sorry but no. You donât get to be like âWell they canât canât even balance these two weapon choices, so they canât balance this spec if they add it so they shouldnât add it.â and then Try to be like âBut balance is irrelevant so they shouldnât add this spec.â You canât have it both ways. Either balance is important to you or itâs not. And seeing as the 1st complaint you had was about balanceâŚ
But either way, because balance is largely irrelevant in terms off adding new classes and specs, they can add whatever they want and attempt to balance later.
An excellent deflection⌠wait⌠whatâs the opposite of deflection? Piss poor. Right, a piss poor deflection. Except here is the problem. You canât balance two classes relative to each other or even two specs relative to each other. Balance doesnât exist in those bubbles. Balance spans across all classes and specs.
Talents and abilities need to be more than just balanced against themselves within the same class. They also need to be balanced against everyone else. This makes the whole process of balancing anything but simple, relatively or otherwise.
Minus the little to no changes made coming into SLâs. The low damage profile. The fact back in beta it was one of the last specs to receive any sort of bug fixes. We shall see. Again hope they donât delete the spec and make a fourth option.
I⌠think youâre confusing yourself in a misguided attempt to âgottemâ me. For starters Iâve never said they shouldnât add another spec. I will quote myself so you can re-read it for yourself.
No where does that say anything about âBlizzard shouldnât do this.â My main concern is their ability to balance. Which has always been my concern. Which you continue to say they are bad at, which we both agree on. So again⌠Thanks.
And actually my first post in this thread was:
Which is me expressing my adoration for the current iteration of Survival and how Iâd probably change specs if it was set to ranged only⌠So⌠still nothing about them not doing this thing.
The opposite of deflection I believe is âdirectness.â So what I think you meant to say was "What is the opposite of âexcellentâ in which case would then beâŚ
And now weâre back to agreeing again. Yay!
I canât say what Blizz will or wont do. They very well could add another ranged option for Survival. I worry about their ability to balance it, as Iâve always said. My only sincere wish is they donât remove melee Survival completely. Iâd be a very sad Rakham.
Thatâs more then fair. Nothing people enjoy should be removed from the game. Balance has always and will always be an issue. Regardless of how many specs.
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I know what you said. My problem is that every time someone who âloves MSVâ starts talking about how Blizz canât balance things, itâs usually tied with a line of thinking that RSV shouldnât be added as a 4th spec.