Totally. I overall enjoy all 3 hunter specs, and can see some areas that could use some work. But definitely not the worst by any means. And yea, warrior is a great work that I’d love to see some effort given to other classes.
Just countering the claims that sv doesn’t “fit” somehow.
I knows there’s an extremely vocal group of anti-survival people no matter what like jilted lovers.
I enjoy my SV hunter. It has a great damage profile and while it has the sigma of “a lot of work to get the same performance” i simply don’t find that to be the case.
I think Blizzard did a good job with Coordinated Assault and Spearhead as cooldowns. Specially CA being a very fun button to press and tracking when your pet attacks to use KS/Bombs.
Mongoose Bite spam is fun in single target when you get 4piece and even speced for AoE it still slaps.
My hunter is not geared at all compared to my main, however i’ve done some M+s where other DPSs had 20+ ilvl on me and still performed. With CA up, pack damage was in my favor by a lot, and similar to them in ST/boss fights. If there’s an issue with SV damage it’s at a level i’m not playing at (and likely everyone else).
If there’s a change that they should bring to SV in the future, it should be bringing Lacerate (from Legion) back.
There a difference to kiting with a extra 3yrds to kiting with full range with how many gap closers their are. There is Fine vs Great i dont want fine thats my argument. Im wanting better arcane shot over Aspect of the Eagle. Survival should just be able do both but melee is stronger with more burst potential and parry needs come back with melee weapons to all hunters even if its just stuns and knockback in conjunction to caring a melee weapon and gaining some extra stats.
Nope, it is still the least played spec in the game. There is simply no reason to bring a survival hunter when bm or mm can do everything that survival can do but better and at range. Survival has had a rework every expansion since Legion and it always remains the least played spec in the game unless it is comically overtuned. They gave melee survival a good shot but I think it’s time to revert it back to ranged, the majority of players (based on numbers of active players of the spec) seem to agree.
You do realize that being melee has perks too right? Go ask holy paladins and mistweavers about avoiding mechanics simply by being melee.
What about having an enh shaman? What about m+ with a full melee group and a prevoker? (I can tell you from experience I do not play with ranged hunters in m+ on my prevoker main because mm&bm are ALWAYS out of range; they risk the entire group failing.) What if an add needs to die while moving? Good luck aimshotting it! In the same vein what if you need to aoe while moving? BM what if your pet dies? What if your pet bugs? Pet attacking the wrong target for max aoe. Pet ccd and can’t do anything.
Don’t think mm and BM are so great, they have their weaknesses too.
Never said it didn’t. Neither Paladins or Mistweavers were once ranged on a class built to stay in ranged (hunters were made to kite).
Thing is, they don’t have to be, they can be in melee range with everyone else OR be at a distance kiting mobs etc, survival does not have that ability.
And what if the survival hunter dies? Or needs to do things they aren’t good at? All specs have weaknesses. But the thing is, bm and mm can do all of their damage in melee or in ranged while survival cannot, but they used to be able to and that’s the problem.
Baseless claim, and anyone can make many threads if they so choose, more likely its the same 2-3 people who just want to whine playing their broken record over and over and over
No tree is perfect, and DK tree is definitely not perfect. Far from it. Best designed trees imo belong to shaman, especially enhancement.
No. You have ranged SV in wrath classic, go play it and stop crying.
Rather than a big cool-down ability. I’d much rather some inbuilt damage reduction or better heals. Something pretty much all other classes have been given.
It’s not the big spike of damage that I’m worried about it’s the constant small chunks of damage that eventually takes me down.
yea you right, prob those 3 sv mains making random daily threads on alts
Oh my bad, I was talking about the same 3 posters who whine about MSV every single day.
all that’s needed is the sl defensive conduit.
Like how they separated the talent system into two trees one for general Hunter talents and other for spec specific talents
But being melee does, now that any Hunter can do a lot of what survival used to only do. That’s what I meant. They unlocked a lot of things people like from just survival hunters. Which I figured might bring the heat off them a little
I mean I’m not crying? Lmao
most of the people here who are against it havent put in talent into the spec. You can look at their profiles and see that lol. It is the hardest of the 3, and I enjoy that. BM is so braindead its not even funny. Marksmen is boring. But alot of people do try to go the easy route with the game so you got a point there.
This 100% lol
this isnt inncorrect lol. If there is a thread about using a polearm, you can guarantee Bepples will come in malding and attacking everyone
Sv had the same ammount of reworks as mm since that time
But mm has remained popular, no matter what they do to surv - minus grossly over tuning it, it remains the least played spec in the game. Surv has 616 parses in Vault of the Incarnates, the next lowest one is Frost DK with 2,658. Surv is the only spec that has not crossed into the thousands yet and still Blizz has spent tons of time adjusting and changing how the spec plays every expansion. For comparison sake, mm had 14,618 parses and bm had 17,650. In other words hunters prefer bm or mm over surv 52 to 1.
“Big sv player numbers don’t count because it was overtuned”
Ok. Two can play this game
Currently small sv numbers are because it is undertuned.
Did they? Haven’t noticed. It still has the exact same gameplay loop that started with bfa.
Still exact same stat prio, still exact same useless mastery.
I am 90% sure you got no idea what you’re talking about.
probably because everyone who didnt wanna play msv went MM since it was basically the same spec. We call those ranged refugees.
I honestly dont know why people care what other people are playing in this game. I dont go to Wendys and gawk at what the old couple next to me are eating. Like play what you want bro
problem is theres 20 other melee specs in the game and only 2 archer ones. melee people dont really like survival much because it’s this weird half ranged thing with weak defensives compared to other melee specs, and most hunters would rather just play a 40 yard melee as BM and cut out any extra work.
every other dps class plays whatever is the highest dps except hunter where the majority play BM even when it’s the worst. and it’s just the fact that it’s ez.
imo they should just stop trying to appeal to both sides and make surv a proper melee spec because as long as BM exists it’s never going to convert a ton of people. these devs can barely make 1 ranged spec fun and they never revert anything.