Before they get tier set bonus and legendary.
Boooooo, did you scared? 
It is kinda sad though! No class should ever depend on borrowed power this heavily!
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Wanna trade places with BM Hunters?
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Pretty much every class heavily relies on borrowed power. Getting your 4-piece and legendaries is a huge DPS increase for every class
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They’re trying to survive!
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While I’m excited for the spec to get its rotation and other talents as viable options back, it will be a painful fall from the top.
Depends on how they tune stuff. Most classes shift in expansions. We could still be at the top, or we could drop to the bottom, or sit in the middle. Only time will tell.
I do like the idea of adding ranged options to the Survival Tree for those who want to be Ranged Survival, but leave melee as the “main” way to play. Like, replace Raptor Strike with Explosive Shot and Carve with Black Arrow or such.
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Yea not for outlaw rogue… tier is not that much of dps boost lol
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Worst classes IMO are survival hunter and frost mage. As destro warlock without any leggo or tier I do more then twice the dmg :0 even if the mage and hunter have higher ilvl and 1 leggo!
Sound like a lovely idea! Just enjoy being meta atm since it doesn’t happen very often as survival hunter 
Outlaw is actually doing pretty well ATM! I love the new play style where you don’t cast dice so often and where you don’t have to cast “between the eye” as often either
Biggest paradox is that survival hunter has the least survivability in WoW of all classes!
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Yes def alot better than was it was
Legion legendaries flashbacks.
I hate Roll the Bones so much. I preferred being able to spec into Slice N Dice to remove the RNG.
But at the same time, I hate Slice N Dice more in Shadowlands. Why did rogues have to complain about no longer having a buff to maintain 100% uptime on? They literally forced Blizzard to add Slice N Dice back to maintain. >_< I enjoyed it being gone. It was okay in BFA cause it replaced the RNG nature of the spec in exchange for a little dps loss.
I still enjoy Outlaw this xpac, but Slice N Dice needs to go. Like, ugh. Just roll it into the baseline rogue like it had been done before. >_<
Say hello to Destro as well.
It’s almost like they have to be weak to accommodate for how broken their tier sets are.
I like Slice N Dice
I also prefer having Inquisition (R.I.P) as well as a Paladin. Gives a little more to do in the rotation outside of smashing TV and generating holy power.
Whilst it isn’t much and people dislike maintenance buffs(or debuffs), they at least add a bit of complexity to the rotation, and people who are poor at maintaining uptime generally had comparatively poorer performance when they were a staple (before the only part of your rotation that mattered was the 30s of your dps cd)
For sure it is! Outlaw even do descent aoe dmg now in m+ content. I just don’t like that “WO” make rogues toolkit “worthless” for the group!
Absolutely!
Yes I can’t agree more! Beside that does the spec feel good to play now in comparison to before.
I think that assassination rogue is the best spec of them all when it comes to design, everything make sense in the rotation (beside slice and dice) .
Sub rogue is just WTH is going on? xD
Yea the real meta comes from the tier set til 100% , but I still feel that destro make better dmg at low ilvl then example frost mages. I do more then twice the dmg with my warlock without any leggo or set then my frost mage with one leggo and little higher ilvl.
I used to only play Assassination. But adding Shiv to the rotation just ruined it for me.
have you talked to boomkins?
I did main assa in 9.1 and I agree that it takes some time to get used to Shiv. But I did feel that it is was harder to maintain “Slice and dice” all the time.
Haha 
not since 9.0 and 9.1! Non want to play boomkin atm! They can still shine in raid environment though!
Then add it as one of the choice nodes - not a baseline skill. 
It ruins the class for me D:
Maintenance buffs are only good if they aren’t punishing if you miss it for a few seconds - Inquisition and SnD both are massively punishing if you have/had them down for even 2 seconds.
Inquisition moreso, to the point most people stopped playing ret.
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no, they do not.
Odd that.
I tried to do this in pvp. It was meat grinder setups had me go yeah…no.
Ashran on bridge fight meat grinder.
SR zerg fight in WG.
IOC hangar.
Southshore brawl? hahahahahahaha…the grinds up proper plated melee as that is a RDPS paradise really.
Basically found it to be the easy feeder -1 points in epics. If decent in arena I’d not know. Not much into that.
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