The other 2 handed classes/specs mostly use sword/mace/axe.
Hunter generally ends up using the polearm/spear class most often. They even have an heirloom that is a spear for this reason.
You also have a reading comprehension problem. See my answer above.
No, I’m literally not. You’re not thinking outside the box. Having traps be a part of the spec is fine. However, Hunter already has two solid ranged specs. It does NOT need a third cookie-cutter ranged spec.
Look at they botched way they’ve handled Rogue. Instead of making each spec TRULY unique, they’ve spent years watering the entire class down further and further.
When they finally came up with a GOOD idea for Survival (because let’s face it until it became more melee-focused, they really didn’t know what to do with it) people started losing their minds over it.
I want to see Survival DEPART from the other two specs, not meld back into them.
Hunter used to be my third class (behind Mage and Shaman). They left it hanging for so long (up until and going into Cata) that it just felt unplayable. When I picked it back up in Legion it felt MUCH better, but it still feels a little off (but not NEARLY as bad as it was up until Cata).
I don’t care if Survival has a petless option or not. Someone else mentioned that, and I was just saying the spec COULD support it with a few tweaks and a bit more focus into the HUNTER rather than the pet. Honestly, I don’t care if they add that option or not. I’d still play it if it always had a pet.
Survival does not hold any restrictions for you to only use polearms(or any need to use them regularly).
You’re free to transmog your polearm into whatever you want.
You mean the Legion artifact-weapon?
That doesn’t really matter anymore. Legion isn’t current content.
Yeah, and neither of those specs focus on enhancing ammunition/arrows or traps.
Neither of those specs allow for a middle ground in terms of pet reliance.
They are on opposite ends of the extremes.
Who said anything about “cookie-cutter”?
Which is it? The Class or the Specs?
I believe by definition that each spec of the rogue class is as unique as it has ever been. Because of changes, going into Legion.
As for the class as a whole…yeah.
Wait…
Are you serious?
You’re arguing against a spec/playstyle which you’ve never even experienced?
It seems that way at least.
You’re talking about Survival as it was prior to Cata. And compare it to how it was when it became a melee-spec, going into Legion.
This means that the Core Specialization known as Survival(or RSV as many call it) which came with the Cataclysm-expansion, this being the actual spec we want back, is the very one which you don’t know much of anything about?
Historically SV has nothing active to do with its pet until legion when they made it melee and our pet actually started to mean something.
Yes the auto attacks, utility, and buffs were nice but SV functioned well enough without it.
These days SV’s pet is more of a weakness than an asset with pathing issues and it’s less bulky than bm’s pet so having us rely on it in any form feels more like a liability.
I’d be happy for the option of having Lone Wolf SV.
Again, polearm v.s. axe v.s mace does’t matter. At all. Especially in the era of transmogrification.
It’s a complete farce to say that a spec is meaningfully different just because it happens to use a certain weapon type more. It’s a minimal difference in aesthetic and literally no difference at all in gameplay.
No, you do. Because we have said multiple times that it’s a non-factor and you just steam on past it every single time.
Yes, you literally are. You are asking for Survival to:
Lose all its ranged abilities
Have a petless option
Ranged weapons and pets are the bread and butter of the class.
https://i.imgur.com/kBVr5Uc.png
Right there in the opening paragraph. If Survival had neither it would cease to be a Hunter, period. No, it does not make it OK because Survival might end up using a spear more often because that’s a totally meaningless difference.
What are you talking about? The class absolutely does have 3 distinct options.
Maybe, just maybe, people “lost their minds over it” because it wasn’t actually a good idea?
Survival absolutely had a clear direction before it was melee and that’s why it had a consistent core design for 4 expansions. Meanwhile, we’ve gone through 2 radically different melee iterations in just as many expansions. It’s actually melee Survival which they don’t know what to do with.
Saying it became “more melee-focused” is extremely euphemistic. It went from having 0% melee focus to 100% overnight. Legion Survival had nothing to do with any previous iteration of Survival. It was a different spec entirely.
That’s just your ridiculous opinion. Specs are not meant to be as different to other specs of the same class as with specs of different clases. Specs in a class are meant to share some things. Even Blizzard is saying this now and this is driving their class design approach in Shadowlands. Go look at their talk on class design at Blizzcon. They are now admitting that trying to make each spec a totally separate thing was a bad idea and actively working against it.
Congratulations of having a class design philosophy 4 years late, I guess.
So you didn’t play it for its most successful expansions? Good lord. It sounds like this just isn’t the class for you and you are bending over backwards trying to force it into something it isn’t. Go play a Warrior instead, for crying out loud.
The only “tweak” that could make Survival support a petless option is making it use a ranged weapon again. After all, last time it was ranged it did have a petless option. You cannot have neither the ranged weapon nor the pet, period. The fact you think you can shows your complete lack of understanding and care of the Hunter class identity.
Then again, you did practically admit a couple lines ago that you want Survival to be a totally separate thing so at least you are consistent on this, I guess. But you aren’t going to win anyone over by proudly declaring you want Survival to not be a Hunter spec.
Yes, and historically it has also been a ranged spec. It could work fine with a petless option when it was still ranged and had everything it had built up over all the expansions. It can’t work when it’s melee.
The problem is intrinsically linked to being melee. You know how you guys screech “REXXAR” into every single spec as if that’s a blank check for shoehorning Survival into melee? Notice how he is entirely pet-focused? Notice how every single archetype for melee Hunter is pet-focused? The pet focus comes with being melee. Besides, if you had neither the ranged weapon nor the pet it would cease to be a Hunter since those two things have always been the most central elements of a class.
You’d also have to totally remake Survival. Again. And I think everyone’s getting a little tired of even more development time and effort being poured into yet another attempt at making melee Survival work.
How do yall feel about a vote? Say they bring back RSV for one week and have the players vote on whether they want MSV or RSV. Who do you think would win?
Or the Shadowlands beta might be a better place to do that actually.
I think it would be interesting if they added a gladiator stance type of talent that converted the melee abilities to ranged ones, just to see how many actually try the spec out.
I think that would be almost too risky for Blizz because it’s a lose-lose. You’ve got MSV who are pleased with the new spec and RSV who are ticked their spec was taken away. Hunters would be disappointing and confused if RSV replaced MSV, being only its 2nd xpac atm of living. Adding the fourth is better than regressing on something new and/or causing more class design drama in the process.
“How do yall feel about a vote? Say they bring back RSV for one week and have the players vote on whether they want MSV or RSV. Who do you think would win?”
All those specs have shown they can be popular when they are competitive, unlike Survival. Survival is the only one that’s consistently extremely unpopular regardless of the current state of PvE.
I would actually guess melee SV would win if anyone could vote. However, if the vote were restricted to Hunters, ranged SV would win.
How about only actual Hunters are allowed to ask for Hunter changes? Because Warrior lovers dictating our class direction is getting tiring, and right now they are asking for Survival to be a 3rd Warrior DPS spec. They don’t want ranged and they don’t want pets; the two core things that define this class. You don’t see me going to the Warrior class and asking for Arms to become a ranged weapon user without rage, do you?
