like for example DnD, or even fantasy books or movies, the ranger is proficient in swordsmanship/ melee and other types of combat, is this wows version of it
i know they dont equip a range wep, but they create bombs, and alot of range abilities from there crossbow, but obv they go melee for mongoose bite/rap strike
I wouldn’t say so.
Old school Hunter used to fit that fantasy. But SV Hunter is no more ranged than several other specs such as Feral, UH DK, Outlaw Rogue, Enh Shaman.
But due to Auto-attacks being Melee only, you always want to be melee where possible.
SVs fantasy is a bit weird.
Players want it to be like Rexxar, but Blizzard wants it to be like a Tinker/Dragoon.
thats why i miss old school hunters so much, of the ranger fantasy whos profficient in both, but sv is the closest we got, especially in pvp where you dont even wanna be in melee most of the time, and in pve we use kill shot more then any other specs or up there with MM espcially with CA and birds of prey.
on the spec descrption it says adaptive ranger, what ever that means.
Survival is pretty much still ranged, you can kite while doing damage. Go in for mongoose windows and then disengage out
The damage you lose by being at range is significant enough for it not to be “pretty much still ranged”.
For PvE, yes. But not PvP. Class was designed, imo, to shine in PvP.
yup in pvp, you pick when you go in and play a hit and run style, in arenas your range more then half the time. spec does feel like it was desinged for pvp
Survival is effectively a mid range spec in pvp. You poke nerds from range until you get a safe time to go in and wreck things.
Nice fluff, but where’s the crunch?
If you can’t wreck something in 10(and that’s probably too much, I’d say 4-6) seconds, it’s worthless. Because “superior classes” will “code out” an SV that fast. Early Turtle and you’re done. And that’s SV spec since at least after Legion. Because otherwise, we better start talking about adding more survivability.
Which is why I never mained SV; you can easily train an SV for Early Turtle and it’s 136 or 172 seconds of GG. Translation=I better screw off for over 2 minutes until Turtle comes back. Good luck 2v3ing. Which is why the best hope an SV has is a team that can DPS, heal, and CC so well that it will compensate for the lack.
The only safe time in combat you get is 8 sec, and you can’t attack.
Fake difficulty in a nutshell. I think maining MM is challenging enough.
Talk to us when you play current content.
Survival being melee with high ranged capability and Survival being good at PvP are incidental. The things that make SV good at PvP now, e.g. high mobility, crowd control, and sustained damage, were all true of ranged SV in 2015/2016. In fact in that time the spec had more rated PvP representation than any point afterwards. The melee gimmick is just a handicap that’s more tolerable in PvP than it is in PvE.
The new survival actually has a skill ceiling, and people who cant adapt to it’s new mechanics show why other enjoy it. You are able to express you time invested into the spec. It is arguably the best 2v2 spec, an amazing spec for 3s and one of the best classes for 1v1
Honestly the new survival is what DH should of been when they introduced it
You can’t troll a troll anyway. You’ve been trolling since Leg by reputation, so I can’t troll you away even if I tried. And nobody can stop you as we all pay to keep the lights on in the server rooms.
It doesn’t matter if I have an account with DF and a 70 you don’t know about, because I do have more than one account. What if I had purchased and outright publicly let it on that I regretted the purchase? You don’t have a way of knowing. No proof, no EVIDENCE. You can’t prove a negative. You can’t prove I DON’T have DF already with an active 70.
Against your irrationality, I guess it’s up to me to decide how to best handle it. I can only shrug and decide you’ve been clowning in a terribad melee spec since Leg, not taking it that it’s as bad as we all knew it–it’s still bad–and that any serious play got your butt handed to you unless you were carried.
People like that don’t care, and we should write them off. That’s just my factinion.
OK good to know. So the spec handicaps it self for the challenge. That’s great and all, but not the best fit for a spec that’s historically had a class fantasy built around utilising any and all available resources to gain an advantage.
The spec is satisfying, BM is braindead and MM is only good when it can cheese with one shots.
In no way does survival handicap itself. The spec is very fluid and has a smooth rotation. Immense outplay potential and the agility to KITE to range to still do damage. Not sure if you played hunter before Cata but the deadzone was the handicap. Hunters have 2 range specs, mm can be played to a similar style as old survival with talents. New survival a spec that feels and plays better than both MM and BM, yet people want to complain that they miss pre legion. If you dont like the new spec don’t play it
Ranged SV was satisfying. Not dependent on being melee.
Would it be more or less powerful as a ranged spec?
Ranged SV had a smooth and fluid rotation. Not dependent on being melee.
Ranged SV had CC outplay and good kiting capability. Not dependent on being melee.
Yes I did and that would screw us over entirely in modern PvP.
We used to have 3 and they were all distinct and valuable.
No it cannot. It’s a different identity and gameplay foundation. This is like saying they could cram Affliction into Destruction to make way for a new melee Warlock (don’t get any ideas).
To you and an exceedingly small niche of players. Otherwise for most Hunters if they can get away with not playing SV, they don’t.
Yes because, newsflash, the old spec was very valuable to its players. It was not expendable or worthless and they did not want to see it removed. Failing to see that and gloating about how they improved it and people should get over it is just selfish melee-brain talk.
It’s like you rapid-fired every fallacious melee SV talking point into one paragraph. Impressive. Are you just brain-dumping from a prepared list or what?
you know the weird thing now is that ret is a better ranged melee than sv ever was
They do not take their design from rangers. They have their origin from the concept of Green Berets or Guerrilla Warfare. Using unconventional tactics and ambush to fight opponents that are unequal strength.
Watch an action 80s movie with Schwarzenegger or Stallone and you get the idea of what a Survival Hunter is supposed to be.
don’t be silly, everyone knows they ripped off most of the stuff in wow from forgotten realms, we’ve got everything except bard. owlbears (moonkin) date back to 1e d&d, dark irons are very clearly inspired by duergar. even evokers are derivative of one of the most popular sorcerer subclasses