This is strictly a post about defensives, I am not talking about offense or damage at all.
Here are the PvP changes between DF and TWW for Ret Pally defensives:
Divine Protection is now 10% instead of 20% (major change)
Crusader’s Reprieve is gone. Not only does this lower our range for crucial interrupts and auto-attacks, we also lose its passive healing
Sanctified Plates went from 5% Avoidance to 3% in PvP
Judgments of the Pure (Judge dispel) is gone
Leech stat massively nerfed across the board
For some players, losing the passive absorb from the Seal of Filial Duty ring
Granted some of these are minor changes, but adding up a bunch of minor issues can equal to a major issue in the end. To me, these are concerning.
Our wall now being only 10% is pretty bad, losing almost all of our passive healing and our extra range on Rebuke is pretty bad, we now take 2% more damage from Wake of Ashes, Explosive Shot, Orbital Strike , Bladestorm and many more AoE spells, and we can no longer dispel Immolate, Vampiric Touch, Boomy dots or Rogue poisons to help with our survivability and healing. The only defensive aspect we gained is Touch of Light which is almost completely negligible due to its very low proc rate and low tuning.
You could argue that some of these things, like Judge dispel, should’ve never been in the game in the first place, but that’s not really what I’m talking about here.
A lot of the PvP modifiers for Ret are from before the rework, like Word of Glory. Even with Healing Hands, WoG almost feels like a useless button to press in PvP. At full health it also heals for less than Flash of Light. I believe that all Ret PvP modifiers need to be reconsidered across the board.
What are your thoughts? Did I miss anything from a defensive/survivability point of view? Is Ret looking more like a glass cannon in TWW PvP?
No. Baseline Divine Protection was 20% baseline in PvE, 10% in PvP. A talent buffed it by 10%. That talent is gone (technically still there under the same name, but different effect), so it’s back to 20% baseline in PvE and 10% in PvP. Now you choose between SoV or a buffed DP.
Reprieve being gone is not minor. It was one of the reasons csaa qas just too good oick and forget.
Divine protection was always 10% in pvp combat and the talent made it 20%. Now the talent is conpeging with shield of vengeance and blizzard hasnt removed the 50% nerf on it. Laughable
Avenging wrath might ks also nerfed by 50% in pvp making it a 10% damage healing crit buff. (Continuing pushing us to play crusade for yet another expansion)
Its just amazing how little care goes into rebalancing the spec. Meanwhile arms warrior (the darling spec of the game) just keeps getting its healing BUFFED, they re added op second wind, reverted the nerf to impending victory and just removed a million pvp modifiers from them.
But no, all ret gets is a buff to divine storm and searing light lmfao. Its clear what classes the devs play
I used to laugh at people when they would call Ret OP because of wings, i would always tell them its a boogyman cooldown, you are afraid of simething that doesnt exist, on paper 10% is the silliest cd to be considered a “burst” cd.
The only way to slightly help our defense is taking short wings for the wimpy 10% on heals so instead of wig healing for 200k it heals for 220k
And right now the tooltip in pvp WoG heals for 400k baseline, but you wont ever heal more than 200k with it, and thats pre damp.
I know its prepatch but based off how blizzard treats Ret, dont expect any buffs. We are going to be mediocre just like s1.
People are crying now because our Mastery scaling is super high compared to before but ut actually feels more balanced. But yes it will be drastically nerfed and our defense will not be buffed.
This is why we are forced to run crusade (a pve cd that gives haste lmao). They said they wanted crit to be important yet the one cooldown with crit is cut by half in pvp
10% wall and a 10% offensive cd is just so mediocre
The pvp forums were calling ret op pre rework when it was the single worst spec in the game. No tankiness no utility no healing and the most telegraphed burst in the game. So i am not going by what the pvp forums say. They are gaslighting general forums.
Guess you haven’t played a spriest in pvp, especially since you ignored how ret insta ranged damage is more than our casted mindblasts and vampiric touches outside our long cooldowns. That should NOT be the case.
