Sunlight in PvP

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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Per crit.

You always stack each category of resistence when fighting certain classes? Most other classes cast more than one school of magic so even stacking high resistance doesn’t save you from everything only that one school of magic.

This is such a non-arguement we have mana but no healing power tied to our Tier so our heals dont do that much anyways, and if you’re not using tier then you’re just missing out on so much raw SP/Attackspeed/Expertise/Hit i dunno what you’re even doing at that point.

Running Dominus in PvP is insane… you’re gonna trade out your only other melee ability and consistent mana regen to?? beacon other people? What if its Open world 1v1? Who are you gonna beacon then? Yourself? Dominus doesn’t work on yourself.

So you’re sub-spec’ing Prot? What if i decide to sub-spec Ret cause you know alot of the damage we take (apart from hunters) is magic damage… so I’d rather take eye for an eye and the 5% crit bonus which turns into spellcrit cause of Wrath (if you run fanaticism just play Holy why are you even a shockadin) plus 5% parry chance is nothing to scoff at for rogues/warriors/melee hunters.

Thats IF the shockadin runs a 1h/shield which i don’t cause my 2h is stronger for both PvP and PvE. I get more AoW procs and do much more melee damage than a 1h. Avenger’s shield isn’t even necessary when you have things like nitro boosts/swiftness pots and all the CC escape in the world.

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on my warlock I have about 130 resist to every school of magic. Can hit resist cap easily.

what do you mean? you can easily aoe heal with consecrate, toss bops, and then top off with buffed holy lights regularly. My argument is shockadins have healing sustain not healing burst.

Any good paladin should know how good they are as a pocket healer to a warrior.

Would probably be the best pocket healer for a ashbringer warrior. So much burst.

no, I subspec ret but you could easily toss 5 points into redoubt if you were running a shield and gain significant avoidance. but youre right shockadins have access to a number of op talents.

so youre saying getting into melee range isnt an issue for the sunlight dealing paladin…which is right. BOF + engi + Divine Steed means its child’s play.

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Warlocks are incredibly weak right now in PvP, I won’t even lie, there hasn’t been a single warlock i’ve been afraid to PvP against and they need some serious support if blizz plans to leave SoD like this…

Also is that WITH mark of the wild/other resistance buffs? are you using flask of chromatic resistence?
Like what exactly are you giving up to get that much magic resist.

Our Holy lights do about 12% more healing than a Ret paladin’s cause of the talent, like i was saying earlier, our best gear at the current moment stats-wise offers NO additional healing power. At best right now I can have off-set pieces for healing like the redemption 2-set for reduced LoH CD but even that doesn’t make that much of a difference.

Consecration healing is good periodic healing but is also a short duration, doesn’t heal very much (even if you use Sovereign), and requries you to stay within its range so you’re either giving up on melee damage entirely or getting kited out of it to stay within damage range. BoPs are great against anyone but shaman and if theres a shaman around you best believe its gonna be purged, you can also be silenced while BoP’d btw.

Also did you know that since Consecration healing is tied to damage if you Divine Shield your consectration healing also gets cut in half. (personally i’d like to see consecration SP coef increased so it does a bit more damage/healing per tick but i digress)

But then why not just play Holy and BE an actual pocket healer.

What if i wanna 1v1? What if I wanna be my own man? YOU CAN’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO DAD! ~ woah… where did that come from…

100% that is what i’m saying, getting in range was never the issue, its doing damage once im IN range that I find lacking.

Seeing 100 damage ticks for melee/seal of righteousness feels kinda wimpy when classes that have abilities that can do as much damage as mine can also melee me for 500-600 sometimes more depending on the class. And even with shock you ideally wanna be in melee range ALL the time cause of AoW right?

And then to add insult to Injury Blizz put Soporphic Blade into the game which is a DAGGER that has a 2min on use that does a melee strike AT 200%! (basically the Sunlight weapon but an on use and double the damage) of your spellpower as arcane damage. Which let me tell you… being crit on for 3500+ by a mage/shaman/druid/priest/warlock in melee range just feels like Blizz spitting directly in my face.

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no. Im not giving up my tech.

is a decent amount on a solid heal.

has intellect which increases spell crit and healing sustain.

Because then you lose burst. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. game is not balanced for 1v1s.

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Keep your secrets then… I’m just saying #doubt and on a class that has a lot of problems in PvP right now anyways, is it even possible on other classes?

Also if you need buffs from other classes/people does it really even count? Might as well be saying “oh well I can do this or that with full raid buffs”

lol… nah…

12% increased healing on already fairly weak heals is meaningless, the percentage buff is only good if you already have a lot of the stat to already work with cause then the % weighs more.

Crit was never the issue, even on a crit its a weak heal. the base healing power is not there to justify casting a heal on yourself, there’s so many ways to counter you beyond just interrupting your heal. And if you’re only healing when bubbled well that then speaks for itself you’re already using a 5 min CD and pretty desperate at the point… wouldn’t it just be better/easier for you to just stack on a bit more damage and just kill the person your fighting outright?

This is the problem with SoD PvP in general actually, Its not classic PvP where you have these long drawn out fights, In SoD a PvP battle is over fairly quickly and that is a result of the overwhelming damage certain classes do. If you’re fighting a Hunter/Boomy/Shaman whats to stop them from just casting one of their higher damage dealing spells and easily doing more damage than the max like 2k health you’ll get back on a Holy Crit. I guranatee you, you die.

Then why are you bothering with healing AT ALL?? Why not just invest it all into the things you KNOW are going to guarantee you more damage???
This is a straight contradiction of your own gameplay style.

Also hate when people say “burst” when referring to shockadin…
Unless you just came fresh out of a fight… you start every fight with a weak Holy Shock/Exorcism cause you don’t have Shock and Awe active and you have no stacks of Holy power/ Spell power built up.
Shockadin doesn’t do immediate damage, there is a ramp up time. We’re not Ret we can’t do that.

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did you read what I said? I said you don’t need buffs from other classes or a flask. The most you get is from druids which is 25. Resist cap is 315.

holy light is a solid heal. especially when paired with consecration and cc like hoj

depends on if youre playing solo or not.

as soon as shock and awe active you have burst in pve. you immediately jump in damage and then holypower and spell power ramps up from there.

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You literally never said this, i know cause I quoted what you said and you never once said “you don’t need buffs from other classes or a flask” all you said was “no im not giving up my tech.” and earlier you said “warlock I have about 150 resist to every school of magic” and then edited it to 130… you never once mentioned you don’t need other buffs/flask to achieve that.

This is an opinion, how about stating a fact? maybe quote some numbers?

Okay so argument defeated, you clearly use it only situationally why mention it like it can be or IS used all the time… AT BEST its situational.

Forgetting those Holy Power stacks/ 6-set spellpower bonus you’re missing?

My first Holy shock hits for like 400-500 so does the first Exorcism i cast if I don’t crit. Even on a crit its like 700-800 damage maximum. I know cause I PvP alot and see these numbers pop up all the time, I also take time to review my combat logs, got grand marshal playing mostly only Shockadin in PvP so I feel like i know what i’m talking about.

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What? I quoted your first question about this and said no

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And i’m supposed to interpret your “no” as answering my question when you immediately follow it up with “i’m not giving up my tech”?

Did i ask you for a breakdown of all the buffs you use?

I asked if you use flasks and other people’s buffs to achieve that… you also didn’t mention what else you give up to achieve that much spell resist in every school which is hilarious cause I can also go out and find all the max resistance items too but its not gonna help me when some of those items are level 40-50-60 crafted/dungeon gear or i have to give up my set bonuses to wear them lol

But we’re getting sidetracked, and not even talking about shockadin anymore. Seems like you couldn’t find any other rebuttle to make against any of the other things I replied to huh?

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yes.

usually a yes or no after quoting a yes or no question means that yes or no serves as an answer, otherwise, why quote the question?

no. I stop engaging when someone appears not to be reading what im saying

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Cool seemed like you were running out of reasons to be here anyways making non-arguments just for the sake of arguing semantics.