you would wrong there but ok. mythiced out toons can destroy a tw now, not as fast as a twink but not far behind, with more gear they will catch up. You will just never see it as once you have that kind of gear you have no need of tw
I LOVE getting carried by twinks, it beats having to do the same dungeon you’ve already done 5 million times again. I just want my loot at the end of the day, plus it is legacy content so who cares.
And when I twink, it is fun to blow up everything in my path. It feels like MoP remix. I love it.
Oddly, though, yesterday, I noticed everyone but me in my TW group left because there was a twink blasting everything to pieces. When the dungeon was over, I gave the twink my gratitude.
I understand this… but at least it doesn’t last that long?
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No one cares the same 3 giga bad players whine about twinks in TW dungeons. Its not blizzards fault TW dungeons are the top end for 3 terrible players. Blizzard cant fix players that awful just let them whine and get their attention on the forums.
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I’m not denying that a max gear toon will stomp queued content like this. It’s content tuned to be between a normal and heroic. It’s a recurring problem in WoW that geared characters can roll into the content intended to be entry-level and absolutely wreck it because gear has gotten so out of hand compared to how that content is tuned.
It’s just a matter of pace.
A Geared 80 might do something crazy when they pop their big CDs. A geared Ele Shaman bursting will go crazy. Had an Ele and Enh in the same M+ the other night and melting the 1st boss in Tirna Scithe within seconds of him getting debuffed was hilarious. Friend of mine thought he did bad DPS based on the visual bar on the meter, then he looked at the numbers and understood lol.
And that will never compare with a twinked out level 11 Resto Druid hitting Bite once and the boss is already down.
There’s no time to set up the burst the 80 will be doing. Let alone spammable AoE taking out trash in 1-3 hits depending on the type of twink and the type of trash.
Basically I’m saying while both sides of the spectrum result in a similar style of dungeon experience, 80s are too designed around building/spending and combining big CDs to reach the heights of their damage. 10s have no kit to speak of and are just mashing builders 99% of the time. Hard to compete with that, gear will not scale imitating that to such a degree that it’s comparable at 80.
Just getting on with it is definitely faster than leaving and waiting for the thirty minute deserter debuff.
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I’d rather 10 minutes of marginal enjoyment/engaging with my class mechanics than 5 minutes of mindlessly follow the “tank” and press nothing.
This is making Timewalking more boring than the average FF14 dungeon, which is one hell of an accomplishment.
No queued content requires engagement with class mechanics. It’s easy content being done faster. Not anything remotely challenging being made easy.
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TW is the the easiest of the dungeon content, if you want more of a challenge or at the very least something that lets you do a “rotation” then do the level provided, such as mythic zero
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No, they don’t. A handful of very vocal point on the forums complain about twinks. That’s not the same thing. Just by virtue of being on the forums, you’ve already restricted yourself to 5% of the player base. 95% have probably never gone to the forums.
This is actually a real problem because Blizzard responds to what it views as “public opinion” but how much noise vocal minorities make on Twitter and here. They make decisions that affect everyone to cater to the needs or problems of a small percentage of the player base.
Remember at the start of Shadowlands when Blizzard added the AoE cap? Why did they do it? Because of M+. But it affected everyone and was particularly an issue for farming legacy content.
I’ve queued TW on twinks. A lot. IME for every person upset about twinks there are 50 people who aren’t, a bunch of whom will whisper me and say “hey, can I stick with you?”.
But never forget that this problem is entire of Blizzard’s creation and it was warned about before it happened yet Blizzard proceeded to open up TW to level 10s anyway. Twinks wouldn’t exist if we didn’t have content scaling and the content scaling was so bad. Getting weaker as you level when everything levels with you is a fundamentally bad game design that leads to the obvious question of “why do we even have levelling?”
Twinks already go into a separate queue for BGs to the point that twink BGs basically don’t exist.
I do wish I could queue for a TW dungeon (and, ideally, a specific TW dungeon) without involving other people, much like a follower dungeon but without the followers. I’ve ended up 5-manning the entire group because I simply don’t want to deal with other people.
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I don’t get it.
Explain?
This is not a discussion about Hostess Twinkies, that is another thread.
Nonsense, no one would pay for a speed run through a TW dungeon. Twinks farm badges and rep.
Dont demand how other people play the game. it’s rude.
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You - Are - Wrong.
Hope this helps.
Put an n at the end of blow
Put a Be before blow
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I dont get it.
Draw it out for me?
I stand corrected. I only have a warrior and priest to compare to. I have not seen a resto druid that can one shot everything. Still takes me 8 seconds or so to kill a boss on my warrior and 20 seconds or so on my mythic toon. I feel like that gap will be small next patch and at worst a coin toss the patch after that.
Warrior in particular is one of the *worst twink specs for boss kill times. It’s considered great because it’s basically invincible, has good AoE, and has a near permanent +30% movement speed thanks to War Machine.
MW Monks are basically the same thing but with better single target and worse passive movement speed (but they have roll and tiger’s lust to help, warrior is probably still faster movement wise though).
Priest should be better provided they’re level 12 for Holy Fire and Rhapsody, but aren’t amazing at single target either. They can make up for it somewhat with Balefire Branch (+100 int on use) but aren’t a burst spec inherently. Holy Fire isn’t bad though and a full Rhapsody Holy Nova is basically just a free Holy Fire.
Resto Shaman, Resto Druid, and Devastation Evoker are top picks for single target (with Dev and Resto Druid also being strong AoE, though Resto Shaman is 3-target capped for that - hits hard as hell, but 3 target capped).
Resto Druid Bite + Balefire does insane damage and you don’t use the combo points generally in AoE so you pretty much always have it ready to go on a boss pull.
Resto Shaman uses Lava Burst which auto-crits with Flame Shock so it doesn’t have the RNG chance of doubling it again, but it can usually do the same thing with just a followup lightning bolt.
Dev Evoker is just strong at everything with the caveat that if you didn’t make one during Remix you can’t make one now. Crazy ST and AoE burst. Spammable AoE is more like Spammable Cleave but they have multiple AoE buttons that aren’t that (Pyre, Fire Breath, Deep Breath).
* Worst twink specs among specs that are commonly considered decent to good for twinking. There are 100% specs that are worse, they’re just not relevant.
Would love to see what your resto druid can do. Give me 5 minutes on the 4 target dummies in Zuldazar/Boralus and post it in my thread an xpoff
Time walking doesn’t happen every week.
It’s just that we just came off of the 20 year anniversary event and now turbulent time ways.
In 2 weeks, those twinks won’t be able to do much until time walking comes back.
Let people enjoy how they play the game.
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