Suggestion: Do not make fresh start vanilla realms, build off of Era instead

At the time of writing this post, Firemaw EU’s cluster on Classic Era has reached “High” population. This has been the result of a gradual push towards non-hardcore-specific Era realms over the last several months as many Classic players have begun to feel the vanilla itch. Slowly but surely Classic Era is beginning to thrive, with active guilds at endgame across multiple server clusters and plenty of new people leveling and doing dungeons on their way to 60.

If Blizzard was to do a fresh start realm, and presumably repeat the process every few years or so (assuming each fresh is successful enough), the characters are just going to end up on Era servers anyway. Why not then attempt to simulate a kind of seasonal content release schedule on Era realms in which every raid except MC/Ony is locked until a certain amount of time is passed, then release BWL and so on over time. I’ve read some comments on the forums about wanting the AQ war effort and scourge invasions to return as well, and there’s no reason why those couldn’t be enabled again as well when the time is right.

I’d like to address some pro’s and cons to this approach over completely new servers. One benefit is that players currently enjoying Era won’t feel like their recent efforts have been a waste. Consequently, players currently holding out for fresh will no longer have any reason to wait and can jump back in immediately, rapidly boosting Era’s population even further. Another advantage to this approach is that the “swarming locust” effect which has plagued unofficial servers over the years, in which players repeatedly scream for “fresh” only to abandon each new project after only a few months, would be completely eradicated. Our home would always be the same, and whether or not we want to play there would mainly be determined by which raid tier is the current one, rather than how old the server is.

There are however some potential cons to this approach, some of which are based in objective reality and others that are straight-up paradoxical in nature that I want to address. The first is the idea that it is essentially pointless to play on a “progressed” server because many of the people at endgame will severely outgear you, - as is the case currently in Era - especially with regards to PvP. The problem with this logic, however, is that it is applicable to any period of time in vanilla which is passed the initial launch stages, i.e. the first few months of phase 1. BWL is out? I guess there’s no point in playing the game now since I’ll get smacked by an orc warrior with ashkandi and full high warlord gear. AQ40 is out? Same deal but with Dark Edge of Insanity, and so on. The point is: Vanilla’s endgame is a linear progression system, which means you’ll always be behind others unless you’re there early on, and that’s okay because that’s how the game was designed, and you will catch up.

Another supposed problem I have seen brought up is the game’s economy: On Era servers, AH prices are much higher than they would be if we were to have fresh servers. This is a true statement that applies to all of the non-hardcore realms, but like the previous argument of progressed characters it is paradoxical: A fresh server’s economy is only smaller in scale because the vast majority of the population are unable to engage with it as much as max-level characters with gear (which allows them to better farm) are. If fresh servers were to happen, the economy would eventually go down the same path as Era servers currently are.

This kind of short-sighted approach to vanilla WoW is a recurring theme in arguments in favor of continuous fresh servers, and is in line with the previously-mentioned history of unofficial vanilla servers. Rather than deal with these inevitabilities that occur as the game progresses, proponents of constant fresh would rather see their new servers nuked endlessly to avoid these problems rather than address them once and for all. With the preservation and permanence of Era servers, Blizzard could actually attempt to address these problems, such as implementing regular gold-resets to stabilize the economy. Anyway, this is my long-winded way of saying that I think there’s more potential benefits of building off of Era than just doing fresh over and over, and that some of the arguments against the idea (that I’ve seen here on the forums) just make absolutely not sense when you follow them to their logical conclusion.

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What is up with all these manifestos lately?

Why are people writing their thesis on these forums? Put some bullet points in there, no one is gonna want to read these narratives.

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I’m sorry that the format of my post is not to your liking, but I wanted to say a decent bit and felt that bullet points wouldn’t get it across well enough (for the record, I did start out this point with that format before ultimately deciding against it!).

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I forgive you, Sinklar. But I never forget.

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In your essay does it say anything about fresh 60s not having to pvp against teams in Full p5/p6 gear on era?

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But warriors are not full p5/6 they have loot from mc and bwl as well.

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Only reason i can think of is that some era players bought too many gold for their bis and don’t want to abandon it.

Besides, pvp isnt fun when you face against naxx geared players.

Also, many people just came to level till 20 and left the game. Sure, its high pop but split among pvp servers and will be medium again when people find out that the gap and time is too big

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I agree completely.

There is no point of starting from the beginning over and over again.

There is no end to it, and people will never be satisfied and will scream for “Fresh” long before the existing one is even finished because, at the end of the day, it is all about these screamer’s own progress and feelings.

As long as they did not catch up, Blizz has to open new fresh to cater to their need, otherwise Blizz is a “big bad corpo” that “does not listen to players’ need.”

If someone has the decency to finish the current one and all contents thereto, and then call to have a fresh server to start all over. I can respect that and that’s a true lover of the Classic experience. But screamers are just babies.

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How do you determine if a player has finished all content? Does that include all dungeons and raids, highest rank in PvP, do every quest available, max out professions and obtain all recipes, get your epic mount and more.
All of the above or just certain things? Because some folks don’t raid, some don’t PvP etc, and it saps any fun out of this game to force people to do activities they don’t enjoy. A cycle of fresh servers every two or three years that send players to Era when they restart would be great. If a player hasn’t completed what they want in that time there’s Era available to finish up on.

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Bro I’ve finished this game multiple times and I still want fresh.

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That’s why I think Era should have a gold reset, most of the gold in the economy is probably botted anyway. As for pvp against geared players, this will inevitably happen on fresh servers as well once people are farming MC/Ony for a few months, and will only become worse as each raid tier releases. If you follow this logic to its conclusion, then there’s basically no reason to ever pvp beyond the first few months after release since other people will be stronger than you, which is silly.

But on a fresh realm, if you que into bwl players while you’re in blues you can still be effective.

You aren’t queing into triple MoM warrior on fresh

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It takes people a loooooong time to get full AQ40/Naxx gear on a fresh vanilla server. Especially people that actively pvp and aren’t just farming consumables and raiding. Could get a full solid year of being competitive in blues and not being 1-2 shot by people in p5/6 gear

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Not right away, but you eventually will once Naxx comes out. You’re basically saying you want fresh only up until the point where people can’t overgear you too much. It’s a never ending cycle of resetting everyone’s power.

The point in classic fresh is to be on equal playing field and enjoy the fresh leveling again, also not seeing naxx geared toons that cloned in would be nice when you’re just beginning the journey

Well yeah man. There’s a drop off every server at and after aq. It is a clear sign everyone’s fun ends there. NOT after naxx has been out half a decade

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This has been funny doing the AV weekend. I’m having fun, but occasionally you’ll just get charged 6 times by warriors in identical gear before visiting a stormpike graveyard lol.

It is funny, one of my most memorable BGs, back in the day, was WSG against an Alliance pre-made, a human warrior with conq 2.5 (which looks terrible) and and MoM with Crusader. My poor troll warrior (may main back then) armed only with Ice Barbed spear could only slow him down with the occasional disarm.

BUT it was COOL to see high end gear because it was RARE even with X-realm BGs. The only time I ever saw HWL/GM in BGs were accounts that were clearly purchased off e-bay as the players were terribad and I suspected a few of them were “click to move” types.

The true classic exp.

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Tldr
Where fresh?

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