There’s nothing to tell you it’s there beyond the tiny buff on the top right corner. It should light up the affected abilities like any other proc does
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I’d be down for this
Only thing would be that it needs to have a different effect than Omen of Clarity proc. Outside of that I agree, it’s odd that there’s no native visual indicator in the base UI.
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Make a Weakaura? Though ya it should still make it glow.
I really, really, REALLY don’t want to use this addon x)
And I shouldn’t need to, this should be in the base interface
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weakauras is basically required, if you care enough to actually track sudden ambush, you should be using weakauras
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Why not use Weakauras?
I agree, stuff like this should be in the basic UI, but the basic UI has always been modified by mod creators. In fact, alot of WoW’s UI upgrades have been inspired by mod creators.
This is one of those things where it’s nice to know and yeah, a weak aura can provide that for you. But ultimately…. What does this change? Rotation wise… what are you doing differently with this information?
Nothing.
If I need to rake or shred, I’m going to do so regardless of whether sudden ambush is up or not. Preference on rake over shred.
This is a passive buff that requires no user input other than just doing what you’re already doing.
This for the most part. But with Rake spreading, it would be nice to know which one is getting buffed so I don’t burn it on a Shred because 2x buffed Rake > 1x buffed Shred
True, But aside from single target trash or bosses, I’m never pressing shred.
At least not in m+. Spread those rakes!
On single target, you also have to consider DPE abd overwriting dots. Paying 35 energy and then another 35 energy to overwrite rake with a “bigger” dot is not a dps increase.
Just keep to your rotation and these sort of things will passively work themselves out.
No reason to complicate things.
Theres a good weak aura for sudden ambush procs, but I found ultimately i didn’t really need it or look at it much. Your rotation doesn’t really change.
If anything id like a weak aura that tells me if the rake i have on the target is empowered or not so I don’t overwrite it with a normal rake, which I probably do often 
This 100%. If anything, you would want a weakaura to track the strength of your rake maybe, but you likely aren’t going to drop what you’re doing to overwrite rakes with Sudden Ambush mid pull anyways, you’d rather be using abilities that hit more targets to get more chances to crit, get CP, and cycle your Berserks.
Honestly don’t think SA is that great, doesn’t really scale into aoe, and if you already have a stealth rake you’re losing value, and with current Berserk, you’re losing value on it’s entire duration. Maybe this talent gets stronger after reworked Berserk? Based on wording, the new Berserk rake doesn’t sound like it snapshots, but if it does, that multiplied with SA and TF could be nasty.
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It is definitely useful to have a WA for Sudden Ambush, but it is only taken for single target-heavy fights, which are few and far between. You’re not going to be using it in mythic +, because there are better talents, and the only fights I use it on in raids are Terros and Raz.
But yea, definitely useful if you have a normal rake going and you get a SA proc, you’re definitely going to want to over-ride your rake instead of using Shred.
Yeah…. No.
You spent 35 energy already on that previous rake. Now you’re spending another 35 energy to erase that rake and increase the new one by just 60%??? That’s a bad deal.
For arguments sake, let’s say rake and shred do 100 damage. You just spent 70 energy to get 160 damage. That’s awful DPE.
By comparison, had you let that rake run its course, and just used that ambush proc on shred, you would have done 260 damage for 75 energy. Much better DPE.
Yes, It would be ideal to throw up a buffed rake each and every time, but ….in reality, paying for damage just to rewrite it is a huge waste of energy. Holding builders to line up buffs is a huge loss in CP generation.
Sudden ambush is a passive buff.
You do not need to change your rotation based on procs on Single target.
It sounds like you’re advocating for using SA-shred over SA-rake?
If so, could I have the reasoning behind this?
I just did some quick math and, for example, a SA - rake will do, on average, 65,280 (on my character) and a SA- shred will do, on average, 20,640 damage.
Like you said, it is obviously better DPE to use it on Shred, because you are most likely getting 3 combo points for 1 Shred, as opposed to 1 combo point for using SA-rake. To be more exact, 1.36 combo points for SA-rake and 2.72 combo points for SA-shred (once again, using my character).
I may have to actually test this out on the target dummy.
I was advocating not clipping dots and wasting energy.
but… Its been a minute since iv looked at the damage values.
This is my old school wlk/cata brain talking.
Just got home now a looked at my own tool tips and yeah… rake’s dot does considerable more damage than shred. (shred is trash now… wtf blizz???)
Perhaps it is more practical to just always choose rake and clip dots with SA.
It feels dirty saying that and it goes against everything good ferals were trained not to do.
Im not sure how I feel about this.
Still the best form of generating combo points though. Able to get up to 3 for 40 energy (13.3 energy per), vs Rake giving 2 (17.5 energy per).
Played with a Feral while on my DK and he did impressive damage and I noticed his Rake damage far exceeded what mine usually does, so perhaps there’s something to it
Yeah, im tab raking like mad this season. Its great.
I mean that is right up Feral’s alley (no pun intended), TBH. Many times I will see Rip falling up, oh no, lets renew it, bam done, now Tiger’s Fury is up and I have to override my Rip dot I just threw out, because TF+Rip is more dps than Rip. Feral takes more skill and awareness than most DPS classes in the game.
P.S. Shred is getting buffed 6% tomorow (and Berserk: Frenzy getting nerfed)
That’s the thing though…. Is that the right call?
You spent 5 cp on that rip, which could have been a bite. Did that 15-27% buff to rip outweigh that potential bite?