Rest shaman need help
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Yeah the range limit and people being so spread out is killing me this season. I am also not a fan of the randomness of our 4 peice tier bonus.
I can certainly agree with this. Makes me wanna bench my Evoker and switch to tanking instead. The first boss in Waycrest has been a real challenge for me.
I know you can do it where cauterizing flame can remove the dot from multiple people through TA but Iāve yet to figure out this trick.
And you just saying that doesnt prove it exists or that what youāre suggesting is correct. You want anyone to believe your side, you might want to put a link for them to compare the two points.
I canāt post links in forums yet.
I donāt care if you believe my āsideā, lol.
I trust that you can manage to navigate to warcraftlogs and check out the populations of healers on mythic bosses/healer performance overall.
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Im with Guy on this, either you believe him or you dont, no matter the evidence if a person feels a certain way it doesnt matter what the people telling them is going to mean to them.
Every instance I switch to Prevoker I dont have an issue.
A or B or C tier, its all just artificial ranking, play what you want and just do your best at it. If people wont take you cause your not the metaā¦ just make your own groupā¦ its been like this since the start of this game.
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Iām not a crazy hardcore healer or anything, but I just hit 2.5k IO this week and pushing for AOTC and have had a blast healing as pres. The class has so much skill expression compared to other healers with combos and stasis in dungeons. In dungeons I just started rescuing or echoāing the ranged DPS that donāt want to stand in range.
In raid it can get a little stale with blossom build, but I may try out the echo build to see if itās more fun. Havenāt had any issue topping healing meters in Heroic so far, maybe it is different in Mythic.
Tier lists arenāt everything. The way in which you measure performances for healers is also tricky . I think Pres is fine, but I am curious where you get āPres is still A tierā from?
https:// raid.subcreation. net/amirdrassil-heroic.html (get rid of the spaces)
https:// raid.subcreation. net/amirdrassil-heroic.html (get rid of the spaces)
I link these because you said, āpumping pretty hardā, and these are based purely on the top 500 Mythic/heroic logs and their HPS. It appears they are pumping pretty average to below average on most encounters. There do seem to be a few where Pres is pumping, though!
Anyway, not trying to argue, but I am curious where you are getting your data?
To be fair, the tier lists that would place them in A tier are likely mythic plus and not raid. Additionally, if youāre going by hps for a measurement vs a nebulous metric like āpumpingā, thatās not really going to tell the story, nor would it fulfill everyoneās definition of what that should mean. This is the inherent flaw in following tier lists in the first place.
In the right situation/with the right prep, the burst hps of pres is insane.
https:// mplus.subcreation. net/all-affixes.html
That is for M+.
Wowhead and Icy veins both have it at A-tier.
Again, showing why tier lists are objective and even if they were accurate, theyād only truly matter to the HoF/RWF/MDI population.
The problem with the subcreation tier list for m+ is its similar to how pvp measures representation at the top of the ladder. Lesser played classes are inherently going to be less populous at the top of the ladder as they are less populous as a whole, so the raw representation is misleading at best when trying to determine spec strength.
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I understand. I am not using this as an āend-all-be-allā tier list. Just presenting the information that is available to back up the OPs position. Guy presented an opinion without presenting evidence. I wanted to see his evidence as I was curious where he was looking.
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Based off what I can find so far OP has evidence to back up his claim that pres is b-tier for raid and Guy has some evidence to support his claim that itās A-tier for M+. 
https:// www.wowhead. com/guide/classes/tier-lists/healer-rankings-mythic-plus (supports Guy in M+)
In Mythic raids:
In Heroic raids:
In Normal raids:
M+ Leaderboards:
Basically another healer class that came out and was extremely powerful, other folks complained, class nerfed down, now average while MW soars. Almost certainly to end up like Disc; nerfed/buffed over the years with no idea how to fit it into the group of healers.
Sure theāre on raids: Evokers are the new class/hot item for this xpac. Where will they be next xpac? What are they bringing over other healers?
Evoker had its moment, but even though it can still pump serious numbers and is in my opinion pretty fun, it still has MAJOR deficiencies. Like Low range. Again not a problem if it resulted in pres being the top hps, but its not. Other healers heal more and do more with a 40 yard+ range.
But numbers speak louder than words sometimes. Itās just mid-tier raid HPS, and decent in M+. Unfortunately, in terms of numbers of parses/dungeons/PvP presence, they are the lowest played healer now in the entire game. For a hero class in their debut expansion iād call that a fail but meh. Iāve recently switched over to druid and having a blast and my god do I love having a whopping 45-yard range.
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Pres is fine. According to Subcreation, unless youāre trying to push +26/+27 keys, the class itself isnāt really holding you back.
In fact, when the disparity between roles is only A-C tier on Subcreation - with no one in S tier and no one in D or F tier - that actually means the balance is pretty darn good. While I wouldnāt mind a couple of tweaks of course (who wouldnāt?) weāre not in bad shape.