I can crit 200k evis regularly in pve. I’ve had them go as high as 650k.
But in pvp, I am seeing 30k CRITS against my healer friend (14% vers on him, pally)
57k against a hunter… etc.
Why the drastic discrepency between pve and pvp? Im at 185% mastery… 172 once pvp debuff kicks in. What are you other subt rogues hitting people for?
because spamming people for 200k is only for locks. but yea those numbers are way out of whack when you dont have to cast them and can basically spam them. sub is just overly designed which has lead to a lot of his issues since that little redesign happened. looking at shadowlands i think they found their place
Critical strikes deal 50% less damage in PvP, it’s a dead stat there. Add in armor reduction effects, passive damage taken reducing effects, and Versatility, etc. and that causes a sharp drop in damage.
I know crit does less just the difference in dmg seems extreme. 60% less feels bad! will keep practicing it
Blizzard
HATES
Rogues.
Welcome to Retail,
So back in WoD Alpha some TOOL and I will not name names but he was a worthless good for nothing balance druid streamer.
Made a stupid idiotic post.
Saying…
LETS NERF CRIT IN PVP SO THAT IT DOES 150% INSTEAD OF 200%
Because he was an idiot.
Trouble is…
Blizzard designs classes for PVE, and that carries over to PVP
So when that derp got crit nerfed because blizzard said DERP DERP DERP THAT’S A GREAT IDEA.
You got jacked because some tool did not understand the ramifications of such a choice.
Sorry for my very passionate response.
They totally hate Rogues, that’s why they’re consistently one of the best melee in nearly every activity the game offers. 
dont mind him spat. every thread he is in has “well rogue in classic is like this so retail is bad” or “blizz hates rogues they are barely playable” while posting as a level 24 rogue for 3 months
Yep I see him and other Rogues complaining about how much better Rogues are in Classic.
I don’t get why they they don’t just stick to Classic if they think it’s so much better than trying to push this design into retail where it’s quite clear the majority of the community does not wan’t it. Rogues on retail are so close to being near perfect with just a few minor changes, I definitely don’t wan’t the mind-numbingly boring Classic version of the class.
rogue is by far the most cry baby class forum i visit lol. besides roll the bones and subs obvious issues both of which are getting fixed in shadowlands, i think rogue is prob the best class
I usually do about 2.6k DPS in PvP, but I’m only level 110, so your numbers are probably way higher than that.
I’m PvE I do about 6.1k 
Crit is nerfed to hell in PVP. Literally, even all the specs are only viable with Severe/Strikethrough in PVE switch to something else in PVP.
All Azerite traits are nerfed to hell in PVP as well. Your triple Night Vengeance is like, 20% as effective against players, so obviously your numbers are going to be low. A buffed up Evisc should still be like 100k dmg a pop, but yeah, it’s gonna be pocket change compared to crits in PVE.
Not related to your thread, but I think you want a dagger in your off hand, unless there’s like a 30 ilvl gap between that sword and your next best dagger. Shadow Techniques proc rate relies on attackspeed, no? Or is that passive combo point not that big a deal in PVP?
hasnt been a huge deal, but I didnt want to ruin my sin set by removing gushing from my sin daggers!
its most likely due to a variety of factors
tbh im sure there is more but thats all of the top of my head
edit: didnt realize i scrolled down so far to bump this from 2 weeks ago. guess im just super bored. either way hope this helps 