Subjective vs Objective

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While reading the forums, A large portion of you tend to get these two words twisted, so allow me to help!

Subjective - Something you personally enjoy/dislike about the game.
Objective - Something that is agreed/disagreed on by the game community as a whole.

So when you say WoW Shadowlands is horrible, are you speaking from a subjective stance or do you agree with the community disputes?

The only way to fix the game is to argue from a Objective stance, One sided positions wont have much of a effect on a billion dollar indie company.

(Love you blizz)

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This is still opinion.

The only thing that is absolutely objective is math. In the forums most people make up their data, so nothing is trustworthy but a link to a source.

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…and another thing to consider is that the Forum posters make a microscopic portion of the people that actually play - I mean most of them probably don’t even speak English…

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If you’re going to go full “Akchually!” at least try to look like you’re mildly educated.

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This isn’t about education lol
At no point did I brag about being a college graduate.

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Subjective matters too, if I don’t like the game and I don’t play it then the game suffers a little bit. If enough people do the same then the game suffers a lot.

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And the necessity to nerf Shaman.

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Well that’s a lie

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Both cases would be subjective.

You can’t, the only thing I can think of that’d be objective in this case would be statistical data on player feedback/engagement/etc, which we can’t see.

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I didn’t go to college, hence why I said I didn’t brag about graduating, I chose a hands on career and haven’t looked back. :slight_smile:

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Everything here is subjective, even things agreed upon by most people. If you come into forums looking for objective truths, you’re in the wrong place.

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Too true. Usually, the only “Truth” you’ll find is the made-up truths from people with too much time on their hands and not enough people telling them “no” as children…

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How is my example not an accurate depiction of an objective stance?

If the community agrees on something, which is never, it’s because that post was researched and backed with proven data. Just because we all verbally agree on something doesn’t mean the devs would listen, data (as you have all mentioned) is the main factor needed for an objective stance.

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Getting any kind of accurate data is impossible. There are literally millions of players over dozens of servers - and that’s just in North America. Think about servers on the other continents. Unfortunately, I did go to college and minored in Marketing and learned how data can be manipulated to get any desired results…

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Here’s the dictionary definition of objective:

not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Forum opinion is just opinion, not empirical data. Forum is also a very biased place and likely a very small sample of the population. So it’s by not means objective.

No? I mean, human history have shown that we’ll readily agree to the incorrect choice, simply because it’s more appealing or the person is charismatic, completely disregarding data. Just because there’s agreement doesn’t prove that the post is well researched.

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You obviously don’t understand the concept of objectivity, just stop digging.

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If a controversial post is highly respected on the forums, its typically because the post is objectively based.

Forums work because people like you dissect arguments in order to prove if they’re viable or not. In my opinion, It’s quite easy to get an informed opinion on the forums if you know how interpret information.

No one is suggesting taking what someone says at face value, you should always research and test your results, but sometimes, people do that for you and provide that objective information on the forums, which is what I’m talking about.

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There is no consensus.

Different people have different playstyles and different ideas of what is fun. Game changes affect different player demographics in different ways.

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So here’s the thing, unless it’s something done by a completely unbiased, reputable 3rd party organization, it won’t be anything close to objective. Something done by a forum player would likely be missing important data, and anything done by Blizzard, well, you get the point.

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That is absolutely not how objectivity at all, and you saying it is completely subjective.

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