After checking out all the class fixes for 11.1 . I got to Rogue. Well dam like always the smallest least impactful changes like always. Outlaw one change. Does Blizzard even want a healthy rogue population? Hell sub rogue bloat has been talked about for what 5 years? Still nothing. This is just insane.
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rogue dev is in the milk pumping room with the warrior dev having a contest to see who can drink the most amount of milk and also smoke the most amount of crack at once
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Define “broken.”
Just a start but yeah things aren’t looking to hot for Rogues atm…
maybe the button bloat? taking away shadow dust? stealth as a buff but resets any pve. try getting into a mythic +. not even indpeth here just surface stuff for years 0 fixes
What specific spells do you feel are unnecessary?
I’m trying to get the actually constructive and useful feedback out here, not the “thing bad because buzzword”.
What do you expect?
People still can’t use the Title they earned this Tuesday from that little questline lol.
Not even that works properly.
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Are they milking it from the creature?
if by creature you mean women, then yes
I went sub on my rogue just to see.
Full spec’d her out and everything. Button bloat isn’t correct, but it’s not exactly wrong either.
Sub almost has more cds than actual dps abilities lol.
It still doesn’t look fun to play, but a lot of the old bloat is gone. Stab in stealth, 2 single target spenders. 1 aoe spam, 1 aoe spender. Mash backstab outside of stealth… and rupture for some reason.
Idk. I need more context on this for sure.
Symbols of Death and Cold Blood are off the GCD and macro’d to other abilities.
But you want to pick up Flagellate last I checked so that and Shadow Blades are your CDs.
OP didn’t list anything broken just stuff they don’t like.
The biggest issue is if you miss one of your CD’s or don’t apply it properly in your rotation.
Sub also specifically needs a ton of Focus macros in order to be succesful in PvP.
I haven’t PvPd on my sub rogue in quite a while, but for M+ is didn’t feel bloated. Just felt like it underperformed.
What feels bloated? I guess they could make symbols apply automatically, but other than that I felt like I wasn’t pressing that many buttons.
I’m a total amateur, but I have fun on my sub rogue. It’s just annoying how cooldown-dependent she is. She does crazy damage during dance and with secret technique, but outside that, does pretty much nothing.
Id really love for Outlaw to get a MM style rework.
I dont see many rogues, unless rogue is meta there will be a few more than usual lol
Rogue already got a rework lol
Pretty sure Rogues are generally always meta. Problem is it takes a lot more effort to pump dps on a Rogue compared to something braindead like Paladin lol.
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I’ve played sub rogue forever, but TWW was the first xpack encountered where playing assassination was just easier. I’m not saying sub is broken. But I lack the attention span to play it properly.
Well be thankful they didn’t remove one of your more impactful talents that increased the damage of 90% of your abilities and gutted one of your secondary stats in the process. Right now havoc is looking at net lose in our DPS at this point. Rogues and DHs share a dev I believe, and they commented that they know they have serious work to fix DHs after the first round of changes.