Sub Rogue (Nightblade)

Nightblade replaced by Rupture :scream: Why!? I took down so many healers in pvp with it. Well anything that heals, really. Rupture doesn’t even make sense for sub. Bleeding all over the place isn’t exactly very subtle… Nightblade > Rupture please. This change is just silly

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Nothing wrong with it, rupture was the OG - it makes perfect sense.

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You have wound poison which is stronger at doing what you’re implying you used nightblade for, which you didn’t. Nightblade was a horrible ms.

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Because nightblade was awful?

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You’re crazy if you believe Nightblade > anything at all in its previous iteration.

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Nightblade was horrible mechanically.
Wound Poison + Rupture does what Nightblade did but better.
Rupture is the og.
Burst of flashy purple glowing magic isn’t exactly more subtle then inflicting a heavily bleeding wound.

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In most games, magic requires tearing apart reality itself and only a very small subset of spells actually mask or distract from their effects (invisibility, e.g.).

I dislike the design direction they took in Legion where several non-magic classes were forced into some kind of wizard archetype. Clothies, Druids, Shamans, Paladins, and Death Knights were already some kind of fantastic fighter. Demon Hunters were added to that list when it happened. But Rogue, Monk, Hunter, and Warrior were not… Rogue became this shadow wizard which didn’t really click well with me. Monk leaned heavier into the wind/soul wizard. Hunter got infinity pets, bringing it closer to a druid wizard (Survival and Marksman were nice ideas but still need some work). Warrior was really the only one that was “let’s just make the mundane exaggerated and not magical” (e.g. jumping into the order hall).

There’s something a little more intriguing to fantasy games that don’t immediately pull from the fantastic to explain player behaviors. My personality leads me to enjoy shows like Supernatural where the main characters don’t have super powers (*kinda) for most of the series and are pitted against supernatural enemies that should win and are somehow outwitted or overpowered by weaving in those fantastic elements.

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Night blade failed to please the community for its entire duration, it was probably the most iconic ability of this new ‘shadow rogue’ so it was easy to give it a lot of blame.

Outside of that, it was rough mechanically, in pvp it could be dispelled where rupture couldn’t. In pve it was a very short dot, 18 seconds, and was frustrating (for me atleast) to manage between dances.

Honestly the one issue I have with it leaving is this strange scaling sub has with its shadow damage conduit. With the current iteration we will see eviscerate outscale rupture fairly early into the expansion, which should never be the case. Maybe they add night blade as a similar shadow effect tied to expose weakness? I’d definitely prefer that to a nerf to the conduit.

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I agree with this to a point but that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be options.

That’s why options are so great cause they can potentially cater to whoever if one of them doesn’t.

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Agree completely; the question is whether the option should exist for EVERY class or if class itself IS the option?

To me, it already does exist for every class. I have always love the concept of witches, so every one of my characters - in some way or another, is a witch. Including even my warrior. :joy:

I agree with the sentiment that removing nightblade was the right choice. Genuine appreciation for the class devs.

OG? pffft. Fix nightblade then. don’t just give up and go backwards. What’s wrong with shadow rogue aspect? I’ll never be able to understand why people insist on staying stuck in the same lane, same gear. OG… get bent. Grow, evolve, expand, become more… not less. And I disagree… Wound + Rupture is not better. Shadow > Physical + Poison. Far as I can tell it isn’t nearly as effective.

Nothing. Some people’s fantasy of their Rogue is just a physical damage dealer.
The Rogue community as a whole is very torn on this. Blizzard seems to be, too. They’ve basically decided to stay in the middle. Having the spec use physical and shadow stuff. Which, I think is worse and just makes both parties unhappy. lol

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The community got basically torn to shreds by the legion reworks, there is outlaw vs combat, old vs new sub, SnD yey or ney and so on … and all camps are really passionate. It seems not really reconcilable at this point.

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