No spec should have s tier CC and burst all in one. Not to mention insane amounts of survivability with CoS, Evasion, and vanish.
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is it that good? when does it become that good. I was trying to level a sub and it felt squishy as hell.
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Shadowstrike has hit me for 2400 before. Its bs. Also perma cc is annoying as heck with the time to kill rn.
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Sub gets destroyed while leveling until about lvl 27-32, then they are gods. Also, yes, they are probably the most powerful spec and max level right now.
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What do you mean? Why would a class with high dps, no punishment for being out of stealth and 100% dps time need a nerf?
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You mean like marksman hunters?
You do realize these 3 abilities aren’t at all exclusive to Subtlety right?
Shadowstrike is working as intended, it’s supposed to be a powerful combo point builder. And we don’t have perma cc.
Marksman hunters and shadow priests say hi.
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I want one of those heeby-jeeby magic bubbles to help with the stunkills.
Actually, give me a permanent bubble and 5000% damage increase, thanks! XOXO
Sub has too much. It needs nerfed. Idk how you can look at it and defend it right now.
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Perma cc till im dead (or at least low enough that i will be). And if you think 2.4k builders are normal you would be wrong. My icicle crit does 2.4k.
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Mark’s doesn’t have the toolkit rogues do. They also don’t have a lot in escapes. If you strike one when it’s got cds up you might struggle, if you ignore one while it’s free casting… well that’s on you.
Sub are insane, I play both and I’m not even good at rogue, and I feel like a god fumbling my way around that spec.
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It’s not hard to objectively look at subs kit and realize that they have too many tools/damage. Something needs to go.
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It’s not sub it’s the Kyrian.
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Then why isn’t outlaw or sin out of control? Sub was just as OP on prepatch as well.
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Bad news for you friend, kyrian doesnt effect shadowstrike or their utility. So you would be wrong there.
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sounds like sub is the new havoc 
Killed by a rogue, eh?
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Perhaps trinket and use your ice nova efficiently?
And yes that’s how shadowstrike works. It’s our main combo point builder.
When a Sub rogue enters shadow dance, they are at their most dangerous. If you can keep them CC’d and kite them while they are in shadow dance, then you’ve effectively countered them.
Oh right because stealth, vanish, CoS, and evasion, something which only sub rogues have? Yeah mmkay.
Nah Sub is fine as it is. It’s been unviable all thoughout BFA and now is where it should be so leave it alone.
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Incorrect. 10k Echoing Reprimands, are real.
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It appears you have not played as much pvp in Shadowlands as I have if you think that has a shot in hell of working against any rogue with a brain.
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There’s a reason almost every rogue is sub now and it’s not because it’s balanced. Keep defending it, but it’s going to get dumpstered right back to where it belongs.
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