Jade Wind + Spin generates nearly zero threat baseline. As I pull packs, I will, ofc, keg and fire them as. Jade 100% uptime + spin as I move.
So I would do a big pull. Like 20+ mobs in a heroic. Group them up with LoS. Like perfect stacking. I will cash out my entire rotation, even with Exploding keg and CTA /w aoe…and within second I will lose threat.
and I’d be at like 300-350k DPS at most.
I feel like BrM damage either needs a buff or some threat multipliers adjustments.
For context, I’m 579 ilvl atm with a fairly offensive build and Shadopan HT.
I played high keys as BrM in Shadowlands and I didn’t have that problem then. BrM overall feels hella weaker this time around. (I didn’t play DF so idk about that xpac)
I’ve heard that all other tanks pull double the DPS on bigger packs than BrMs.
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brew has a lot of problems before the real content starts it seems, stats are not enough, damage intake is not enough to get the wheels turning… but i feel there are som real issues, specially with healing spheres, EH isnt working as it should.
I’ve purposely tried huge pulls to get the brew system fired up, but still i get no spheres to make EH worthwhile using. Never get more than 2 spheres available, and most of the times i stay in zero or 1 if i am lucky… so yeah, its fup
Regarding dmg, same thing. Damage intake is not enough to get the wheels turning specially with MOH build i’d think.
Exploding Keg helps a lot with the aggro right now though. I pull with keg smash and fire breath. then if they go lose i exploding keg them
I might get 1-2 EH with 4 or 5 orbs per dungeon run. It’s a very powerful ability indeed, but highly unreliable.
I swear its the only thing that allows me to keep threat on larger pulls. Pulls with Explod keg on CD are much harder to retain threat.
I brought this up on beta, and it seems to be pretty common. Brew definitely getting threat ripped when other tanks aren’t.
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yeah, i got a healer to help me test brew against the raid tank dummy, we got to the point where i was receiving enough damage to start the brew engine and its all right. Everything works like its supposed to work.
Gotta wait till the real game starts.
I can post my build link when i get home, but generally on bigger pulls 7+ enemies i can be around 500k, at 12+ im running near 700k dps.
Between EH, Free Vivify, CB + resets, DH, and Fort Brew, i can generally keep myself up during big damage intake. But there are definitely times when Stagger just doesn’t feel like its doing enough.
If you want me to post my build link just let me know. You can also check my profile and get it there.
In BRM im sitting around 580ish.
I can second this.
I’ve been leveling all of my tanks and gearing them out through Heroics; by far the lowest threat gen has been with Brewmaster and Blood DK.
Brew seems to struggle the most with mitigation. I’ll do huge pulls and rip through 80%+ stagger purifies, cele brew, and it’ll only shield me for MAYBE 2 million.
Contrary, I hit Ignore Pain twice on my Prot Warrior and I’m already over 2m for my absorb shield. That’s on a maintenance defensive!
The other bit being that Brew uses Celestial Brew as an offensive cooldown? I don’t understand that, and it feels awful to play.
If Celestial was added to by the extra damage from conduit, or even just healed you for that amount, then any excess after was dealt as extra damage - that would make sense.
Currently you’re just ripping cooldowns and doing… Subpar damage, minimal threat gen, and paper defensives used for offensive damage.
Not a fan, I’ve had mine on the shelf since I leveled it.
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My guess is yall are following builds from most of the common places and most of those people are wrong. Check out Equinox or Methods brewmaster guides.
^ It’s this. You need Blackout Combo and Face Palm to do competitive damage. Almost every build I’ve seen skips these critical talents. Properly specced my BRM does very similar damage to my BDK, 1M+ on trash packs and 300-400k single target.
Blackout Combo is so strong for both offense and defense that if it’s missing from a build you should probably never trust that source. Seems the bigger sites just copy pasted each other’s junk builds.
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I agree but I’ve always hated using BOC as I don’t really like the rotation that much and have managed to skip this build in all of DF and still did really well. Hopefully it can be the same for TWW. Question, in pack pulls in M+ are you comboing BOF or TP?
Backout kick > Tiger palm = /giggles
Those random 1mil+ tiger palms are amazing.
Breath of fire pre pull to get charred passion(I can’t remember the name) buff up so when you spin threw it does more damage.
There’s a lot of issues with BrM right now. I dunno what the Peak of Serenity discord is looking like, all I can say is playing it feels real trashy, and healing it feels just as trashy. It’s the only tank who I really have to babysit. They’re gonna get trucked once keys open up.
Really hoping for some self-healing love, you can expel harm 5 orbs and watch your HP not move.
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Don’t forget the Black Ox Statue exists. It’s an underrated ability that gets discouraged too often yet it has existed forever and rarely received any alterations because it is absolutely fine and effective.
Your OX statue acts as an off-tank, soaking A LOT of damage (appx 50% of your total hp) while having a short cooldown of 10 seconds. Your “Offtank” can also AOE TAUNT every 8 seconds. Move your statue accordingly and use a macro to press an AOE Taunt button.
/target Black Ox Statue
/cast Provoke
The statue also pulls groups of enemies incredibly well. It’s a 40 yard range with a 20 yard taunt pulse. Talent into Hasty Provocation for even more convenience.
As for struggling to maintain threat due to lack of damage or so, place the statue on or near you, and use the macro on cd.
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This is great advice and recommended if you run Charred Passions over Dragonfire Brew
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Took me a lot of work and practice BUT IVE BEEN PUMPING
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