If we’re going off of how strong a class is based on the feats of the heroes of that class. Than couldn’t we make a defense for Death Knight since Arthas was so powerful. Since it took like literally the most powerful Paladin ever existing wielding the most powerful anti undead artifact to ever exist and backed by a whole bunch of the world’s strongest adventurers? Or do we not count the Lich King as a Death Knight xD That’d probably make more sense.
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In the lore I believe Warlocks are the strongest. Fel represents pure chaos and destruction. Warlocks often gain power faster than other magic classes. They also don’t restrict themselves on power sources. The average warlock is stronger than most mages.
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Probably Death Knight < mages < Dh < Lock.
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Kel’Thuzad is a extremely powerful character! He is known for his mastery of necromancy amongother feats. Originally a powerful mage, he became a lich after serving as a key agent in the spread of the Scourge and the creation of the undead army. As a lich, Kel’Thuzad wielded vast amounts of dark magic, capable of raising and controlling the dead, as well as unleashing powerful spells of destruction. I would argue that he is more powerful than characters like Khadgar and Jaina. Especially after becoming a Lich. He learned a spell to summon the Demon Lord Archimonde which is very impressive and achieved immortality.
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Mage (Aegwynn / Medivh / Khadgar / Jaina / Kael’thas), Warlock (Gul’dan) and Druid (Malfurion). Lorewise none of the others came close I’d say.
Is it really soloing when the other Titans are holding him down?
Lich King was the only Dk that powerful though. Many Warlocks have achieved large amounts of power. Examples include Kil’jaeden, Archimonde, Gul’dan, Cho’gall, and Teron Gorefiend.
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I mean, I do love some warlock lore. My only rebuttals (cause I’m inclined to agree)
Do we consider Kil’Jaeden and Archimonde to be Warlocks. I mean… They’re archdemons right? Kind of feel like they’re the next step up from warlock?
Teron Gorefiend is a DK iirc. Orc soul stomped into a human corpse. First ever Death Knight created in WC2? Or am I misremembering?
(Edit: Yes. Teron was the first Death Knight. The orc soul originally belonged to an Orc named Taron’gor. Who was an apprentise of Gul’dan and therefore a Warlock)
Death knight in name only. Gorefiend was mostly warlock. And yes, archedemons can be considered warlocks as well.
And like most characters, they’re not beholden to game class limitations. Illidian is a warlock and a demon hunter.
A warlock in wow is someone who uses any power for their sorcery. Not just arcane, elemental or nature magic.
I don’t know, it would seem that DH would be one of if the strongest, i mean Illidan did destroy Xera. Not sure any other class has been shown to be that powerful…maybe priest since Velen absorbed a dark Naaru.
Yea, that what I thought. I knew he was pretty powerful. If I’m remembering correctly, he’s named dropped in the Last Guardian book as someone that Medivh knew/respected (this would have been back when he was a mage of Dalaran)
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Mage. Azshara was a Mage. Medivh. Aegwynn. All mages, though they have access to much more than your average mage, cuz they’re so broken. But Mage. Then Warlock, Druid, Pally, DK, and DH. And Warrior.
Those are the classes that have bonafide big timers in lore. Guys that have pulled some genuine big Rick moments in the story.
Shaman is barely an honorable mention, since Thrall was constantly getting washed.
I conceed to all points but this. I politely disagree with this one.
Gorefiend was a Death Knight through and through. Had a Death Charger. Uses shadow magic and necromancy spells. WC2 had him using Death and Decay, Death Coil, Unholy Armor, and Raise Dead (Okay so that was actually DK troops, but they were based on him. He was the in lore leader). The only thing I can see that point to him still being a warlock after resurrection is the fact that his fight in the Black Temple has him using some fire magic like Desto Lock.
But that’s just my read. Please feel free to interpret how you like.
All those spells, warlocks use in lore as well. Majority of the warlocks in the lore are also necromancers.
He was just called a death knight because he was deathly with knightly looks but majority of him was just using magic. Magic that warlocks use.
Gorefiend was a first Generation Dk. They are different than the playable ones. They were Orc Warlocks that were put in the dead bodies of human soldiers.
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I mean, like I said, if you want to consider him a warlock then I’m not going to throw shade.
That said. He’s called a Death Knight. He has abilities that are part of the Death Knight Rotation. Has a Death Knight mount and doesn’t seem to use Fel magic at all (or very little). To me. That’s a Death Knight.
Yea, I know. I still consider them to be Death Knights though. But you are right. They very much are still different than the ones created by the Lich King in many ways.
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Little fun fact, majority of warlock spells aren’t fel related. Unlike in DnD, warlocks in wow lore are just sorcerers who use any form of magic from any school of magic, regardless of the consequences.
So yes, he was more of an necrolyte warlock on a horse. Only reason they were called death knights was to scare the paladins. It was more of an intimidation tactic.
They were called Death Knights because Gul’dan put Warlock souls into dead bodies to fight Paladins. I don’t think it had anything to do with a intimidation tactics.
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Pretty sure they called it because of such tactics. Sounds better than orc warlocks in human dead corpses. So death knight it is.
It does sound better…
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I agree it sounds better. I would still be interested in a quote from blizzard saying it was a intimidation tactic.