Hey folks! Disclaimer: This purpose of this post is not to be divisive.
Can someone explain to me why the Jailer/Zoval is doing what he’s doing? Also why Sylvanas supported him? Was she simply tricked? Even after watching the cinematics I feel like I’m missing a lot of context.
Thanks so much!
Zovaal ultimately wants everyone to serve him. To that end he sought and entered Zereth Mortis with the goal of rewriting reality to that end.
Sylvanas supported him because Zovaal convinced her that he merely wanted to shatter the system in place to ensure that everyone had free will over being shackled by destiny.
That’s very understandable with how the story hasn’t been fleshed out or rushed in some cases like introducing the sigils as these super important things that the Jailer seeks in the same patch that he steals them all.
Thanks so much! Great answers!
Why does Zoval want everyone to serve him? SPOILERS
The Primus says in game he used to be the arbiter? Assuming the pantheon was created by the first ones, why would the arbiter want everyone to serve him all the sudden?? Is this something we’ll learn in next patch or something?
Short answer no one knows.
She wanted to create a better system.
Her soul has been twisted and ripped apart. Sylvanas and Uther both, weren’t operating at full capacity until recently. I wouldn’t call it tricked though. They both were physically manipulated by soul splitting shenanigans.
At some point in his arbiter life time, Zovaal came to believe that the designs of the First Ones were flawed and subsequently defied their will and sought to unmake the balance of the cosmos.
His first attempt to claim the sigils was thwarted by the other Eternals Ones, who united under the Primus’ leadership. Afterwards the Primus used ruins of Domination Magic on Zovaal’s flesh to bind him to the Maw and the Winter Queen used the magic within the Heart of the Forest within Ardenweald to keep him forever bound and trapped within the Maw.
They had hoped that in time Zovaal would repent for his sins, but instead he grew more hostile and malevolent. Meanwhile the other Eternal Ones through currently unknown means then created a new Arbiter.
He wants to Dominate the universe because the system sucks according to him for unclear reasons
She believes the system is unjust because of what Zovaal told her
we don’t know what Zovaal told her
I think it less of what Zovaal told her, but more to do with her entering the Maw after she suicided off of ICC in Edge of Night. Now Sylvanas, herself as a character, would have found it massively unjust for her to end up in Warcraft hell, the same place where Arthas himself was.
It’s also important to note that we still don’t know the exact method in which Sylvanas entered the Maw after her death. She could have been sent in by the Arbiter, the Val’kyr could have sent her there as apart of a gambit to scar her into returning to life so that they could be free from their shackles to Bolvar, or the Val’kyr and/or Devos and the Forsworn (depending on when Devos defected to the Jailer) could have personally sent Sylvanas there to help the Jailer recruit a new ally to his cause.
That doesn’t explain what the injustice is.
And there sholud be a link between why Devos went from “There is Maw magic in reality, I am worried” to “Zovaal has a point” and Sylvanas.
My theory is the Maw was created by the Eternal Ones, and “Eternal Damnation” was invented in order to sustain the prison.
The original design of the Shadowlands did not have Eternal Damnation.
That would be a coherent reason for why both Devos and Sylvanas sided with Zovaal.
I have a suspicion given his personality and the likelyhood the Arbiter’s judgements automatically trigger realm creation that Zovval may of created it himself. Remember all the land Zovval drug in there, and Torgast was built by the Primus as Zovval’s own prison, so it was just an empty abyss where the condemned fell into. Like a cosmic trashcan for souls. However, I doubt souls stayed intact long before they got deleted and recycled into the system.
The Eternals for sure repurposed it, and in the process may well of altered it to prevent irredeemable souls from simply being deleted to lingering to provide anima to power torgast.
I mean that’s the thing:
That indicates to me:
But this is another Chekhov’s Gun if they cared, at all, to give a possible valid argument to Devos/Sylvanas
I would argue that if you get deleted as the last recourse it isn’t eternal punishment, as you cease to be. You have to have a recourse for handling the Garrosh’s who refuse to reform, and simply erasing them seems like it be the most humane option that the Primordials would of had on hand
Either situation, they still would of made the maw into a place of agony and suffering. so Either works for your scenario.
You don’t cease to be, we see this with the Yorrik rare and some of the Venari quests
Shades don’t cease to exist, the Domination magic just erodes the soul into almost nothingness and all Shades exist in a sort of hive-mind within the rift
Garrosh just self destructed
No, no. I meant ORIGINALLY I think the maw was simply an abyss where souls were hurled to be erased as a last resort. But the Eternals altered it to maintain Torgast after Zovval was imprisoned.
Hmmmm maybe; albeit Jaina remarks Domination magic is within the fabric of the Maw itself
Dunno
Regardless there’s multiple options for a coherent explanation and I don’t have faith any will be taken
to the entitled, lack of groveling obedient worship is all the injustice need be
Is that how Devos comes off to you? 
oh thought you were talking about Zovaal there. Devos is just badly written.