That’s the issue though. In order for the worgen to retake gilneas…it requires them to kick a few teeth out of the forsakens mouth for a bit. I picked them to play a werewolf…not some homeless dog people pity.
If that pisses people off…well so be it. I’m just done with people saying we can’t retake gilneas because some horde players might feel bad.
Okay, whose huge load broke the forums?
Alright. We’ll do this. We’ll flocking do this here.
Like, no. It actually doesn’t tho. How about five random stream-of-consciousness ideas for retaking Gilneas without furthering this outright damaging idea of further villainizing the Horde?
Y’all just keep being fixated on this zero sum game because you’re just too used to making my faction the villains in your story that it’s hard to think of any other narrative.
The Forsaken/Glinean conflict centres heavily around Alliance propaganda that Sylvanas and the Forsaken intended to harm Gilneas for funzies, not taking into account that the Forsaken were held at gunpoint, and they had no choice. The Forsaken narrative paints the worgen as aggressors, because they are, when it was actually rogue worgen who were also terrorizing gilneans. Both the Horde and Alliance could benefit from not relying heavily on propoganda as a story telling vehicle.
The Gilneas need a victory, but that victory will feel cheap if they are just punching the Forsaken when they are already knocked down.
Gilneans retaking Gilneas is a good start to something, then the worgen will actually have their home back, no one is opposed to Worgen having their home back right?
So…the horde gets to victimize the worgen, get away consequence’ free because you’re upset as a horde player? Like no. I’m tired of the horde suffering ZERO LONG LASTING consequences for their actions. 
Sorry for dragging the fight here. I’m heading back to the other thread now to get a few things I been bottling up off my chest. I apologize guys 
Everyone thinks it’s cute when the dog bites a bone.
Not so fun when the bones bite back!
Thankfully worgen have pretty strong jaws than
So we’re back to it.
It’s not about giving something to the Worgen. It’s about further villainizing the Horde. I give you five scenarios to get what you say you want, and they’re not enough unless my side has to still play the villain in your heroic story.
No lasting consequences?? Are you actually joking me right now?!? We’ve had to go through two rebellions and three warchiefs of consequences. We’ve had to regime change twice for our consequences. The only thing not lasting here isn’t Horde consequences; it’s the Horde’s core identity.
Worgen can be worgen without the Horde. Worgen can have Gilneas without the Horde. But y’all only want to have your good times if they require my faction to be further thrown down the toilet for your amusement. It’s literally the only hang-up we’re having here.
Because it’s the only hang up that needs to be addressed. The forsaken victimized the gilneans and they need to pay for what they did. I don’t care if any of y’all are mad about that very simple fact
Cool.
So if you could murder half the forsaken, but never regain Gilneas, that’s cool? Because the actual issue, according to you right now, is that the Forsaken didn’t get beaten up by enough worgen?
That really the track you’re going down, Micah?
You know I want the worgen to reclaim gilneas. Horde feelings be damned about it.
This is where the eternal faction war problem comes in, which Taran Zhu explained perfectly in 5.2. Every action leads to reprisal. Both factions can get things without punishing the other. People just need to let it go. There’s plenty of other things in this game besides AvH conflict, people should focus on those instead.
How about for once the Horde player is expected to let it go? Just saying.
Alliance and Horde players should let it go.
Then why is it you’re here saying the only hang-up needing addressing isn’t Gilneas being reclaimed, like I suggested, but being able to kill some Horde?
There is a middle ground. Get Gilneas back without having to further villainize and diminish the Horde. It’s not that there isn’t a resolution outside of a zero-sum game, it’s that y’all don’t want it.
What are Horde players expected to let go?
good news one of my haters said he is going to stop talking crap that sure is nice of him after slandering me for years and setting entire communities against me for no reason
all i got to say is man i love how social media works
I like Tarroks suggestion in the other thread. Gilneas, the city itself is held by the alliance, but everything outside it is either neutral or being fought over.
Flynn and Mathias sit in an SI:7 office discussing recent events.
Mathias: Wait a minute, where is the dragon guy, Wrathion?
Flynn: He is in the stockades here in Stormwind.
Mathias: Why?
Flynn: He was trying to take a flight to the Dragon Isles. Don’t know why he was trying to go to the Dragon Isles.
Mathias: We have no extradition with the Dragon Isles.
Flynn: Oh. So what should we do with him?
Mathias: Put him on the next flight to the Dragon Isles!
Flynn: Yes sir, okay.
Mathias: Okay, so the Old Warrior is dead?
Flynn: Yes sir.
Mathias: The body is…?
Flynn: That’s gone sir.
Mathias: Okay.
Flynn: But there was a snag. Well, this Old God, N’zoth, was attacking the planet, it was in broad daylight in a couple of zones, Magni didn’t know what to do, felt he had to step in. He shot the Old God. He shot N’zoth.
Mathias: Good. Great, is he dead?
Flynn: No sir, he’s in a dagger. They don’t think he’s gonna get out, they’re pretty sure he has no anatomic function.
Mathias: Okay, if he gets out we’ll worry about it then. So, that’s it then? No one else really knows anything?
Flynn: Uh, well Mathias, there is the um, the banshee woman, Sylvanas Windrunner.
Mathias: Where is she?
Flynn: She got picked up, we have her.
Mathias: To do what with?
Flynn: She said she’ll play along if we pay for some surgeries she wants, cosmetic surgeries. She said she’ll apologize for everything. She wants some facial reconstruction-
Mathias: Pay it.
Flynn: Okay.
Mathias: By the Light. What did we learn, Flynn?
Flynn: I don’t know sir.
Mathias: I don’t know either. I guess we learned not to do it again. Dunno what we did.
Flynn: Yes sir, it’s hard to say.