Story Beats You Want to Happen for Alliance in SL

There’s a lot of this happening in the Horde topic and I think it’s for the best if we try to keep these discussions mostly separate and away from factional conflict atm, since I think there’s a general understanding that we’re all tired as crap of faction war now.

I wanted to wait on this topic for when I had better collected my thoughts, but the discussions are already happening. So here’s what I want out of Shadowlands for the Alliance:

  • Anduin gets the crap beaten out of him so hard he puts Shalamayne on a staff or something and never uses it as a sword again, the way the rest of us had to deal with Quel’Delar.
    • Reasoning: I actually like Anduin a lot, but many people are concerned about character power levels. It’s been a while since he got the crap kicked out of him. It’d make him him more clearly a priest (we’re at the point where even his generic is called a paladin, because Blizzard thinks armor and a sword is cooler). If he comes out of this experience worse for the wear in a permanent way, as brave as ever but with scars, I think it’d fit most people’s concerns as best as possible as it gives more room for other characters to shine.
  • The Alliance grows further apart. While relations remain pleasant, resources are strained and there’s no great unified threat they can counterstrike right now. All four of the captured leaders are great diplomats; without them in the mortal plane, the scourge besieging the land can have everyone turning inwards to save their own people.
  • (Night Elf commentary withheld until I am current on this. I need to know what happens with Tyrande/Shandris.)
  • I just hope whatever they do with Taelia doesn’t ruin her.
  • Dwarves. As someone who doesn’t get the supplemental material often, I know basically nothing about dwarven views on the afterlife. As the most stalwart partner of the Alliance, I feel there’s some good opportunities to explore Bronzebeard Titanic and Wildhammer Shamanic views as we delve deeper into stuff with these cosmic forces. The Wildhammers make for good potential allies against the almost inevitable Drust plotline (horde synergy there with Tauren or Trolls performing a similar role)
  • The Army of the Light. I’m extremely nervous about what they’re going to do with the Light as they keep exploring Not-Good Light, and Lothraxion is being strongly hinted to be a long-term manipulator. If we’re going this way and setting up for a future expansion, the Army of the Light needs to get brought in on a side patch and handled gingerly. I really hope they don’t turn these guys into full RL crusaders.
  • It would be incredibly interesting to run into King Mechagon briefly and explore transhumanism if he retains his augmented form in the afterlife.
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what i want to happen is that everyone in the alliance that went to the shadowlands dies.

But i wont get that so instead im wondering about jaina, it seems she is being pushed into the peacemonger side again, at least that was her portrayal on shadows rising.

Honestly shadowlands doesnt look like an expansion that wont have many faction developments.

1-i can see a light invasion happening on the next expansion but not now

2-anduin will probably be draenosh’d

3- tyrande will end up giving her power away on ardenweald (i so dont want this to happen but ill mention it anyways.

4-Taelia and jaina will talk anduin down of whatever theyre doing to him and thats basically it.

Most of the characters that went to the SL arent that much interesting, old man genn, rogers, halford, shaw, heck even flynn (specially flynn) are more interesting than jaina, anduin, tyrande,shandris, taelia and i wish we could see more of them instead of our stale main cast.

i really hate they killed telamon we are lacking representation from the other races we need more draenei and dwarves most of the guys i mentioned are humans…

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Telaamon ended up pretty cool. It was a sad fate.

Most of the characters that didn’t go to SL from the Alliance really don’t have much they could be doing (and truthfully I’m not really sure what the heck Taelia is doing there – other than the obvious. What’s ‘random warrior from the islands’ gonna do?)

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maraad= dead

telaamon=dead

velen= doing whatever on the exodar

yrel=probably went crazy

im just tired of human potential and night elves have too much baggage nowdays…

And i agree with the taelia bit, she is probably there to be eye candy for anduin.

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Nah, she is definitely becoming the first Lich Queen when we reforge the Helm of Domination so we can close the rift to the Shadowlands. Bolvar will be the new Jailer while Taelia is the Lich Queen so she can stay connected to him.

Honestly, I hope Anduin gets aged or dies so he isn’t some naive kid anymore.

I hope Dwarves get some kind of development.

Having Genn encounter Liam, or we the character encounter Liam and he gives us a note to give Genn so he can get closure would be nice.

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Really good point about Liam.

I am pulling for dwarves the most; they’ve been the Alliance’s most stalwart ally but they’ve never been the focus of the story, even gnomes got Mechagon. I love the Draenei but I don’t mind having them take a backseat for a while longer, even if I hated how Velen/Illidan played out, they got Argus which was a big deal and WoD before that.

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Something I really want to see, though I know its unlikely, is to meet Anduin Lothar and get his thoughts on the Alliance as it currently stands.

If I were him I would be insulted that Anduin Wrynn was named after me…

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That wouldn’t be a bad way to knock some sense into him. But I would rather see Lothar meeting someone like Jaina or Shandris and discussing what the Alliance has become or become with them. That seems like a more interesting story to me.

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I considered bringing in Warcraft characters, but I feel like they’d all have to either have very small moments or Blizzard would go quite over-the-top and have both factions meet them and either way that turns out, it would be unpleasant.

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Fair enough.

Another story I would like to see is a story where we heal Uther’s soul.

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Yall gonna hate me.

ALLIANCE NEEDS A CIVIL WAR

First the setup:
The Alliance is ALREADY well-set for this sort of conflict. First off, Stormwind is without its king; he’s been spirited away by Sylvanas. This opens up a three-way power struggle between Matthias Shaw, who’s still acting as an agent of Stormwind (as Shaw thinks Stormwind should be, basically a souft coup by hte CIA), between Genn, who’s been positioning himself as vizier and possibly father-in-law to the king… and vs. Turayleon who’s been appointed regent and has this whole “VE MUZT KRUZADE FUR ZHE LIGHT” nonsnese going on.

While Genn has been jockying to position himself and his daughter in stormwind’s noble circles, he hasn’t done much for his own people, and any talk of retaking Gilneas has stalled out after BfA. I could see htem splitting between genn, Turaylon, and the Night elves.

Speaking of whim, the Night elves have kinda been shafted by the Alliance here, by their reckoning; the Night elves have born the vast brunt of the alliance’s wars with the horde over the last few years, from both Garrosh and Sylvanas… and they have not gained any benefit from this sacrifice. Now their tree is a smoking stump and this naive boy-king just sort of brushed that off. They’ve really got no tight bonds to the Alliance as it stands now, beyond their smaller alliances with the Gilneans and Draenei.

And the draenei are exhausted. The war against the Legion no doubt took a toll on them, and it’s not like there were tons of Draenei around after all. Velen’s entire thirty-thousand-year purpose has been fulfilled, I wouldn’t be surprised if the dude just wants to pop open a Nogginfogger and take a few centuries off for himself. You’ve got the Lightforged who are of course going to go gung-hi with Turaylon’s crusade, and try to drag the “main faction” Draenei along for hte ride, which I have to imagine… most won’t want to. and we know how the Lightforged respond when people turn them down.

Ironforge is in a pretty stable point, all things considered; even so i imagine that there’s still some soreness left after Varian essentially threatened a military occupation of Khaz Modan if the dwarves didn’t organize how he wanted them to organize. I can see them sticking with the Alliance in principle, but in reality just sort of hunkering down while the excrement splatters the rotary unit.

The Gnomes (and Mechagnomes) are sortign hteir own situation out, and can probably just be counted on to lean into whatever the dwarves are doing (sorry Gnomes, you’re the Tauren of the Alliance, the writers don’t remember you exist most of the time.)

Kul Tiras just had a civil war of its own, followed by the return of its fleet, the installation of a new grand Admiral, the destruction of its fleet, and the abduction of its grand admiral. There’s no possible way that Kul Tiras is not in absolute chaos as a result of the events of BfA and SL.

There’s canonically like ten void elves or something, so no offense but who cares. Maybe they’ll have some sort of freakout with the Light Crusade or whatever.

Anyway the premise isn’t like the Horde Civil Wars where it’s “the warchief is Wrongbad, we need to knock them over,” more a situation of each Alliance faction just being strained and splintered to its breaking point, seriously questioning the benefits of the Alliance (especially now that the horde is genuinely flat on its back) and coming into conflict over ideologies and territories

Why it needs to happen:
The Alliance is stagnant as hell. They’re written as always righteous, always perfect, wonderful, Lawful Good Human paladin types. No matter what happens, alliance always “pulls through because the power of FRIENDSHIP” or something. there’s very little moral grey in the Alliance and very nearly no shades darker than grey. A story of the alliance collapsing in on itself would not only add some much-needed drama to this absolute mary sue of a faction, but would also fit into the Warcraft story overall - the Alliance has collapsed in the past, after all!

With a civil war storyline, we can see some edge creep back into what has become the marshmallow faction. Characters can be complex again. the various internal factions can re-establish themselves instead of being “Soldiers of Stormwind, but with fur or pointy ears!”

But then what?:
This is a segue into a "reboot’ of how Warcraft handles its factions. Since Wrath, the Factions have been presented not as loosely aligned political friendships between disparate entities… but as solid, monolithic military orders where everyone is either a soldier or a merchant waiting in town. This is… Kinda lame, AND stale, after a decade of it over and over and over again.

After the Horde and Alliance both have their civil wars (and probably some skirmishes between them, again) we come into a world where the factions still exist, but have maybe splintered; Maybe we go to a WC3 four-faction model.

Whatever it is, write it so that neither faction can maintain the huge military buildupss they had back before legion / BFA / Alliance Civil War tore 'em all up. Everyone’s either tired or too young to remember. The player character is no longer a commander, a champion, a hero of their faction; they’re just an adventurer; perhaps the Maw Walker reborn into this new world and trying to make sense of things or whatever. Grade Warcraft back towards “Adventure / Exploration, with factions in the background” as Vanilla leaned towards.

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While that would be a very reasonable result of non-stop war and would present a golden opportunity to get us out of forced binary H or A faction identity, I don’t think it’s remotely gonna happen since Blizzard has committed itself to raising the stakes with endgame storylines continually and wanting to go all out on the cosmic grand tour.

I really dont want to tread another civil war, we’ve had two.
No need to feed Alliance players the Horde’s table scraps.

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Eh. you’re gonna get it eventually. Blizzard only has three stories and they will eventually get bored of the eternal do-gooder forever-flawless scheme of the Alliance

Might as well hope for it to be good

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What you described isn’t a war, though, it’s just a fragmentation. Too boring for Blizzard to do a content patch around without an actual war.

Civil War now!

The Alliance is boring as hell. Its time Stormwind to pay the butchers bill for a change.

Also obligatory remove the High King title. We aren’t the Horde, we don’t need a stupid Warchief equivalent.

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We didn’t want that meal in the first place and we were force fed it twice. Be nice and have some of our left overs please?

I’m not just saying this as a horde player that wants to see the Alliance fight itself either. I don’t know exactly what the alliance player wants, it has always seemed to me that they want more of the same bland good guy reactionary force status quo, and there is nothing wrong with that if it’s what you enjoy. A bit of internal strife in their ranks could be good for some interesting story though, doesn’t mean you’re leader needs to become a mustache twirling villain and we end up sieging Stormwind.

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Read the title wrong and thought is said AFTER SL lol. Assuming a storyline picks up after we leave the Shadowlands and assuming Anduin, Jaina, and Tyrande don’t die.

Time Skip Because Light Damnit.

  • We leave the Shadowlands and a number of years pass on Azeroth.

  • Turalyon makes good on his word and keeps the Alliance lands safe during the years of constant Scourge invasions. Provided aid to all their allies to reinforce their borders. Even rebuilt and reinforced Southshore, turning it into a neutral port shared between the Alliance and Horde.

  • After the horrors inflicted to him in Torghast, Anduin sees Turalyon’s progress and decides to “put off” retaking the High Seat. Decides to spend more time being the King Priest at the Chapel and constantly pushes the need to govern and what not to the High Exarch.

  • Now that the Alliance and Horde are not actually fighting, the same thing that happened with the Alliance of Lordaeron start happening now; the members of the Alliance start to not see a need to remain IN the Alliance now that the general world ending crisises have ceased. Turalyon wants to keep the Alliance together because united together and blah blah blah.

  • Dwarves are the first to break off, with the rise of King Dagran II taking a high position in the Council of Three Hammers. The Gnomes break away as well to focus on rebuilding Mechagon as their new capital (finally giving up on the irradiated Gnomergan at least for the short term). In time, the Alliance exists in name only, with the High King being dissolved as there is no Alliance Military to control anymore.

Depending on what happens in the following expansion, the main purpose would be the Alliance races slowly working together (with the Murder Hobos being the ones to get jobs done as per usual) to reach the conclusion “Yes, we are stronger together and for real we actually like you guys.” or that whole thing.

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I don’t necessarily think there needs to be a civil war. But, I wouldn’t say no to one, if they could write one more nuanced than just “Anduin good! Tyrande bad!”. That said, I do still want fragmentation, de-centralization from Blandwind, nullification of the High King title, and a greater focus on the individual races of the Alliance instead of Humans and Pals (and the Worf Elves).

In an even more fevered pipe dream, I’d like to get started on that with an expansion that does to races what Legion did for classes. Starting with reclaimed/repaired/revamped cities for everyone. Exodar, Gnomeregan, Gilneas, Nordrassil/Teldrassil 2, Telogrus with buildings, the works.

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