To prove your point, can you name a sample of an ability in someone’s rotation that you can’t remove it because it somehow breaks the spec but is tuned really low and is only taken to make sure the spec isn’t broken.
If you can’t provide that sample, then your logic simply applies to every ability in the game.
The elementalist build is literally defined around Pwave. Don’t even say it’s based around flame shock damage and lashing flames because there is literally a viable M+ build that doesn’t center around it. Even in season 1 where we had a fundamentally neutral tier set between builds, Elementalist was again literally defined by Pwave, including the cooked build where people took og Ascendance instead of Lashing Flames. Any raid fight where enhance was by far the important spec for a fight/phase, it was because of Pwave by a large margin.
You are quite literally saying the equivalent of saying that Storm would function perfectly fine if you didn’t take DRE and associated talents.
The damage would only be awful without it because they chose to put a lot of power budget into the ability. All p-wave actually does is apply a flame Shock and then cause a bolt to cleave.
Elementalist Enhance would still play the exact same without P-wave because you still have all your rotational abilities in storm strike, lava lash, ice strike, flame Shock, frost shock, lightning bolt, elemental blast. You still have your cleave abilities with crash lightning, chain lightning, hailstorm / fire nova. You still have your major cooldown in wolves. You still have your core build/spend maelstrom system.
The comparison to wake of ashes and bestial wrath is accurate but what you failed to compare is the button bloat of those specs compared to enhance and also the fun factor. While fun is subjective and there’s really no data, I would be willing to bet wake of ashes and bestial wrath are enjoyed by those classes more than P-wave is for enhance. There is a reason for repeated complaints about needing to spec into it.
Yes, but most of those complaints are for the most part because people are bad at playing Elementalist because it requires a higher skill floor and massive skill ceiling vs Storm which has an incredibly low skill floor and low ceiling. Also the forums are a terrible source for community feedback on class/specs.
And generating 10 MSW which shaves off 20 seconds off wolves, and increases your haste by a flat 20% + 4% per target hit which directly impacts
which then affects the flexibility of how your are able to utilize:
So again, it’s literally more impactful than you give it credit for. Are there other talents that facilitate those effects I mentioned? Yes, but again, based on your logic, Storm doesn’t need DRE right? All it does is make it so every now and then you get Ascendance for 6 seconds and you should ignore Static Accumulation and Thorim Invocation in your appraisal just like how you ignored Primal Maelstrom and Splintered Elements. If you removed it, you still have
and Doomwinds.
You can say this about literally every single button in the game, it has nothing to do with prim wave. It makes no sense as an argument against it.
No, you really can’t. Most abilities function on their own and then have optional amps via talents or other sources. Prim waves power comes solely from those additional amp sources, the ability itself does very little.
Well we now know your opinion on anything about enhance is useless. Notice he’s not attempting to refute any substantial argument against his asseration which either tells me he is woefully narrow minded about class design or he’s just saying stuff to say stuff without thinking.
When you resort to insults, you have no argument to stand on. Have a good one
Point still stands. Your argument is faulty and you’ve not said anything to refute anybody’s point.
Okay, but like, it’s literally their job, they should be reading what their community’s sentiments are regardless of it’s state.
Also, I can’t speak for everyone, but for me, there’s already a ton of fire themes in this game with fire mage and destro lock and fire in general in MMOs is very prominent, lightning however isn’t well represented and it sucks when the only class that uses lightning is forced in both of their DPS specs to play extremely fire heavy rotations. It sucks. I want cool lightning and storm animations, if I wanted to throw fire at my enemy I would just play (the much more dev loved) fire mage.
I’m also not saying to remove elementalist from enh or the fire build for ele, but for the love of god, can lightning builds be at least viable.
“Steve, go read all of the forum posts and write on this white board all their ideas for us to start workshopping. Or else”
Steve has unlocked achievement: Depression.
Well you never work with developper have you ? They always think they’re the best and all. Huge ego and they often have the bad habit of getting to attached to thing they make. (Like they rather waste energy on a sunken ship thats was proven wrong over admitting their idea was bad or unfun to begin with)
Where’s your proof that they aren’t? Just because they’re not implementing changes that people ask for or aren’t posting on the forums doesn’t mean they’re not reading.
Bro, I would be you and I would stop exposing myself as toxic and immature, it will only affect yourself. Keep attacking people because of their simple likings on the game. You’re very childish and need some manners, specially to be insulting someone with the word depression on a game that obviosuly has help people cope with depression.
Never, never use mental health problems as an insult. Just ignore this peep, he is obviously trolling.
No, I feel like you don’t play Enhancement Shaman at all. Elementalist doesn’t function without primordial wave because it’s built around primordial wave. You can literally say the same things about storm except you could remove DRE from the tree and the spec would function just fine.
Elementalist need primordial wave because:
We have talents that give a lot of MSW such as Elemental Assault (one of our best talents in a whole tree) but Primordial Wave is what ties Elementalist together and gameplay become fun.
When you log in to your Enhancement Shaman, you press the letter N(Or whatever keybind you have set for your talent tree panel) what do you see? Thrall wielding the thundered doomhammer.
Now, imagine coming into your favorite game forums to express a very detailed syntax of paragraphs, on why and other people might agree on it, you like storm spells, and the class has currently no lighting elements on it, besides crash lighting if talented, or the lighting bolt that you cast as your spender. You express how much you like the Storm aesthetic and how much you also respect but, you never use the word hate or any of the sort to say that both fire and storm should exist.
In the response you are being told that you like an easy game style, without even checking your progression, which is not even close to yours, that you’re hating even though that is not the word you use but, now you are being told that you’re depressed just because you’re asking for the thunder fantasy to be fulfilled as its being presented.
I did say on my very first post of this forum that I would have loved to leave my feedback private, however, the option was removed, for what? To experience this type of childish discussion were there is not an argument but just an indulgated way to attack your persona.
The option from the in-game was removed, for what reason thought? So the players that come here and leave detailed feedback from a deep-dive gaming perspective and experience this type of trolling with no helpful advice or a healthy discussion. I will leave this forum for good, and soon the idea of feeling part of this game community. However, I hope for everyone that likes thunder for it to come back and add a bit more than just Stormstrike, but for much, to thunder to come back while fire still exist.
Again, it just confirms that the forums has no moderation.
The damage profile would be awful without it, Primordial Wave is the most important spell for Elementalist build. Primordial Wave gives you better cleave, AoE and ST burst while shaving 20 seconds off wolves due to CDR. Elementalist build is non-functional without Primordial Wave.
I simmed Enhancement without Primordial Wave and with Primordial Wave. The build without Primordial Wave loses 25% DPS in pure ST. It also loses 35% DPS in AoE without Primordial Wave. That shows how important is Primordial Wave for Elementalist build.
They weren’t even talking to you there. They were talking to someone else and saying that other person’s idea would give the devs depression.
I think we really went off topic here, this should be exciting to see what Stormbringer is bringing to both Ele and Enhance, however you decide to play the specs is your preference and what you like/dislike shouldn’t matter.
I think a lot that has been said recently sort of has completely derailed the topic, it’s about excitement, we getting closer to both Hero Specs for Shaman to be ready for Alpha.
We don’t need to turn this into another negative thread, I know we are all passionate players, should be happy times though, I’m hoping sometime this week we get official announcement that Shaman will be ready to go in Alpha for some solid testing and feedback. 
It is literally the defining talent for the build, y’all are on something
But you and the other guy can just remove that talent in that build and play for a while, lmk how well that goes for you.