Much of what is said in this thread, and other ones, explains why MSV gets criticized so much.
Be it how it came to be(and what was removed to make room for it). And how the devs justified making said change.
Be it the spec itself and how players feel about the design/playstyle.
Be it how it supposedly lacks strength in certain areas etc.
Take your pick really.
That said, if you do like the spec then, fair enough. It’s very much about personal preferences.
Most of it is directed at them, though I wouldn’t necessarily call it hate in most cases. More along the lines of feedback that has since it started to appear, become more…harsh due to the devs not doing anything to make up for the past pre-Legion changes.
However, since the only ones engaging in discussions on these forums, are players, these discussions tend to become arguments between some of those players. Despite that in itself not being the main focus(apart from some cases ofc).
This can essentially often be summed up into one word: Passion
It’s simple. If you’re playing SV, you’re playing on the broken backs of the class and spec that was stripped from us. You’re correct that a lot of hate is directed at the devs, but it’s also directed at the players who support the devs by playing the class.
Make the hunter melee spec a Tank spec. Too many times when it comes time to grind m+ for gear, Mail classes are left out because everyone is doing a Plate or Leather stack. The hunters and shaman are left out.
Hell that being said, make monks the cloth tank! I mean, monks wear cloth IRL. amirite??
Current MSV is what it is really, some like it for what it is while others do not.
…but this is very true indeed. Again, I’m not one to advocate for the removal of any existing specialization that we have. Just give us back RSV as a 4th option and be done with it really.
I hold no love for current MSV but…no. No thx.
A tank spec based on the hunter class, with a pet to manage for tanking mechanics? It would be a giant mess to say the least.
Tanking is the complete opposite of what Survival stands for.
Survival is all about self-preservation, not self-sacrifice. A survivalist simply would not volunteer for meat-shield duty. It goes against their very nature.
On that note, a survivalist also probably wouldn’t rush into melee combat when they have a perfectly adequate ranged weapon; much less detonate explosives at point-blank range.
Most of the people who decided the spec’s direction in Legion probably had little to no knowledge or investment in Survival beyond the spec’s title. Same goes for all the people who still think melee Survival was a good idea, or worse: tanking Survival.
But people want to brag and boast about how well SV is doing in PvP, particularly in Arena. Part of the reason why I played MM from start to finish was to show some solidarity for RSV which I give that the greater glory. I’m sorry, but cheese does not a good spec make. I don’t get to hump pillars as a means of reducing damage uptime. And I talk to some very shady individuals who suggest MSV is the premier PvP experience.
But I played Hunter long enough to remember RSV in its last days. RSV was far better than anything MSV will ever amount to. EVER.
It honestly didn’t offend when RSV was changed, though it was strange. But when I tried it, it was a fresh change from BM ad MM with it mobility and speed. I was getting bored with BM, in BFA until I tried MSV and it gave me a new perspective and fresh change.
Because the old Range SV was broken. A ranged class with only instant dmg spells if a lot stronger in pvp than you’d imagine. If it had casting like MM, that’d be a different story… everyone would have been playing MM instead.
OMG - Just stop
This is ridiculous. Let’s tick of the MSV players now. Seriously? I can’t even emphasize how stupid this is without getting banned from the forums.
NO - ABSOLUTELY NOT
Why do people keep bringing this up? Are the trolling or are they serious?
Which explains why they led the PVP class representation in WoD.
Oh wait.
They didn’t.
Hunters were (and are) right at the bottom. Look at the ArenaMate BFA-S3 archives for BFA and Warlords Season 3 (it won’t let me post a link):
BFA-S3: Hunters - Lowest representation with ~3% (2200+)
WoD-S3: Hunters - Lowest representation with ~5% (2200+)
Doing the same error they all do, taking the high rated content % representation which shows nothing really.
Rated arena is a whole different world where class synergy comes into play. Hunter has only a few class with which it can play.
In open world, BGs and 1v1 that’s way different ! Ranged SV would be the king of kiting. Never needing a single cast. Could out do other casters with a LOS point.
At least Azagorod has now moved on from arguing that ranged SV was not popular. We’ve made progress!
P.S. Arguing that it’s popular in casual content is pretty nonsense. It’s not anything trackable. Every spec has a share of its playerbase that is casual and doesn’t do raids. You’re basically arguing that there’s some enormous hidden population of Survival Hunters out there filling up the world zones, BGs, and dungeons, that just so happens to barely step foot in competitive content despite not being particularly underpowered.
With facts, logic and real sense. Not emotions, not transforming data. The game isnt made for the 1%.
Mixing with someone else.
By you, by me, but not by Blizzard.
Wow, you know it now ! Its an MMO, doing those high competitive content requires others, teams and etc… which is not someone everyone likes. Anti social, shy, non confident, everyone an idiot way and because over the years Blizzard been adding more solo content.