This is still a dependence on melee somewhere above 0% which is worse than having a 0% dependence on melee i.e. BM and MM.
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Metroid does not argue period. 100% of the content he posts here is baiting. He’s the only poster I’ve ever put on the ignore list because of this.
What’s interesting to me is that he seems to genuinely believe much of what he posts, though, based on what he put on his youtube channel. So it seems to me the baiting is a coping mechanism for the fact that most people on the forums don’t agree with his arguments.
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You said no one wants rsurv, and now you’re changing your argument to “so many people enjoy it” when, according to Warcraftlogs, it has the least number of parses of any dps spec. Dead spec is dead, you’ve been proven wrong again, and you are in denial.
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Ironically, I have a different take away from it (though ultimately agree about him baiting).
I think he does know better, but has this need to defend the version of the spec he really loves. It’s easier to make his own history about it instead. It means he doesn’t have to confront the idea Blizz could do the same thing to it again.
The YouTube outlet gives him a way to have like minded viewers who help support his view, even if it’s detached from the reality of the matter.
It’s a form of denial and an attempt to protect what he enjoys. Same reason he pretends to be other people on alts.
Regardless, I should probably just follow your example and put him on ignore. I dislike attacking the character of others, and since I don’t believe they argue in good faith, there is very little to be gained from attempting any sort of discussion with them.
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Speaking of the youtube video, you should check out Maverick in the comment section of that. I know you’ve seen as many SV discussions as I have here but I doubt you’ve seen anything reaching that level of crazy.
Summary: he insists that SV was a fully intentional and viable melee spec in Classic and even BC and that anyone playing the spec as ranged with MM talents was a spec traitor. The longer the discussion has gone on the more agitated and even vaguely-threatening he has become. It goes to show how protective people get of their own delusions.
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W-what does that even mean?
???
Honestly, I am inclined to believe you. Which is why I would also recommend to just distance yourself from them and not continue discussion with them. This might seem a bit paranoid, but I’d rather be safe than sorry with someone who is moving to threats. People who get that angry and irrational are not people who you should be engaging with IMO, since they can become dangerous.
Edit: I know that is likely me just being overly defensive or worried, but I just don’t see the benefit with someone who actually seems like they might be unhinged over a video game.
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I think you know what that means, Bepples is finally mask off, anyone that plays Surv is a spec traitor and aren’t real hunters. lol
Edit: Just saying this was a joke, I know he was referring to the youtube guy
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He’s referring to a discussion he had where the other person was apparently claiming if you put points into MM as SV (So pre Mop Era, likely referring anywhere between classic and wrath) you were a “spec traitor”.
Which doesn’t make sense for multiple reasons but also is genuinely a confusing statement.
So, Bepples if you believe his account, is not the one calling people that.
Was joking 
Made an edit just to highlight it.
While I know Bepples has strong opinions, I don’t actually think he’s of that opinion.
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Lol, okay. I’m tired at the moment, I apologize.
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No point in arguing. I learned long ago even if you prove others right they will do whatever it takes to stay in their safety net especially the ones unhappy about something. Its how they cope. Even funnier when they come to a forum for group therapy sessions for copium. I used a single alt for luls never used more then that. Never cared about making a post look good, I look at every class and specs posted on here and every single one no matter how good has someone crying about not being good enough or whatever. Long story short you guys are the saddest bunch of neckbeards I ever seen complaining about a much needed change for to a spec that was far too similar to the other two. Its what you would call, Toxic. To prove that point more, I never posted bait post, but something I thought would be fun to brainstorm on and as I should of known, the WoW community (online) jumped on it to complain and not make a single decent argument as to why Tank hunter (was a joke) was a bad idea. You just assumed it was bait cause you wanted to be mad. Case in point. Also I’m not going to respond to every QQ response I see here, which is why I just don’t waste time on it. Its not a lack of an arguementive response on my end, just know better people want to stay in their own safety bubble. Peace Bra
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Honestly…I can’t even tell if it is bait-posting. It does seem from his video that he genuinely believes what he is saying.
The posts on here, as far as I can tell, are based on the same beliefs and it’s not about baiting as much as it’s him being intentionally ignorant. As proven multiple times where he admits to not reading anything we post, not that it would matter because he has his “method of playing” and that method apparently equals the “intent of the design” of the spec/class(ironic considering how he has also mentioned several times playing meme builds and suggesting we should just equip a bow and play current SV as ranged).
But yeah, either way…enough about that.
Holy…
Yeah, not touching that one…yeesh.
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Yeah I dont get the melee hunter hate, the theme/fantasy and the gameplay is pretty satisfying
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In many cases…it’s not hate towards melee-hunter as much as it’s a byproduct of what they did when they made it a part of the class. What they removed in the process. In short, the reasons they gave, their logic behind the changes simply do not hold up.
The reason MSV gets so much of the direct focus is because of the discussions/arguments between players. Differing opinions and interpretations regarding past and present(and future) design.
Etc.
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What’s not to get? It’s theme/fantasy is pretty explicitly aimed towards people who aren’t Hunters.
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How so?
I think it’s fits the survivalist vibe pretty well, a hunter and their companion getting into the action with melee, bombs, short ranged shots… plus the hunters companion being integral to their fighting.
Some more bombs and dps traps for the spec would be awesome imo
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He meant that the changes to SV weren’t made with the then-current, and also most future players of this class in mind.
As admitted by Blizz themselves, most players used to play and still play this class because of the ranged aspects.
And thus, by taking away one of our ranged playstyles to implement something that the vast majority of Hunters have little interest in, is illogical and flat out detrimental to the class itself.
Especially when at the same time we also ventured into a new era where “spec identity” was becoming the primary focus of class design. And by that, resulting in how individual specs became even more niche in their design(this often causes players to hesitate to invest in multiple specs/playstyles because they no longer achieve what said players want, sometimes on a fundamental level, as in the case of SV).
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I can see the argument here but realistically it diversifies the playstyle of the hunter, and I dunno, I for one enjoy the idea that a hunter can be more than just a sharpshooter, incorporating many methods of hunting prey… traps, bombs, etc… MSV is the reason I made a hunter.
Though I am aware that is not to everyone’s taste - saying that it’s not a hunter just because it’s not a ranged spec is an ancient way of thinking imo…
Honestly why not just make 4 specs and have a melee option remain (a point I’ve seen around and very much agree with), make all parties happy 
I know as a Rogue this might be confusing for you, but “getting into the action with melee” is actually a Warrior/Rogue fantasy and not a Hunter fantasy.
So, I said before that the spec was pretty explicitly aimed at people not playing a Hunter. You disputed that by chiming in with your experience as a non-Hunter rolling the class just to play Survival. You didn’t really think this through, did you?
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