It’s a stupid plan.
If I need to explain why, that’s the problem.
Rogues and Druids constantly saving Alliance by killing LTs because of your…less than sound plan.
Stop trying to brute force AV and expect to defend.
Goodbye.
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A lot of times I’ll even see them change direction to get wiped at Galv.
/facepalm
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I honestly don’t understand why this same tactic is repeated.
Then there is always someone that “thinks” they won the game by just rushing IBGY, when in reality there was a series of events that led to the possibility of that plan working.
Ibgy is the only strat IMO, it’s how I got all my wins on alliance post changes. It’s a test of your teams healing and surivability, if it’s not up to par you weren’t going to win anyways.
As horde there is nothing worse than going back to try and backcap IBGY and seeing a bunch of Paladins turret healing while warriors and hunters kill everything in sight.
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Yes, for IB to work, everyone needs to be on board and at least 25+ people (with healers) need to make it to the GY to deal with the horde constantly pummeling it. Most of the time you lose SHGY and fail at IBGY then the slow loss begins anyway. If you manage to hold it, it becomes a race. You need a better than average team for it to work …
The better matches I’ve won recently - you basically work your way down GY by GY. No shortcuts to Galv, FW or IB.
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What the hell are you talking about? Horde has a 20-man rez wave every 30 seconds that you have to defend IBGY against with no resurrections of your own. Even if you have the entire team there your healers will probably run out of mana before the flag turns. The Alliance team has to be several times better than the Horde team to even have a chance at capping IBGY without SHGY/SFGY.
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Come on. The cave rez is an advantage, but if Horde has 20 players rezzing in waves that means you are stomping them. If you lose that game, you suck.
30 players with no rezzes? 30 seconds is a SUPER short period of time. You have clearly never been in that situation. Healers don’t have time to drink, you can lose no players and then get wiped in the last few waves because mages kept divebombing you and keeping your healers at low mana.
And if those 20 Horde players manage to focus fire and kill even ONE Alliance player out of the 30 every rez wave you wipe even more quickly.
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Honestly some AV’s your just doomed to fail. Not enough healers, too many sub 60’s etc but yea AV is a rush battleground. Defending only prolongs the inevitable. If you didn’t have the forces to take IBGY then your not gonna have the forces capable of defending it that would lead to a fulfilling win. Sure you might grind out long enough for people to leave and the right characters/spec to join in but who wants to do that?
The days of long AV’s are over. Blizzard saw to that when they used the version of AV that they did and not fixing the spawns but you know “no changes!!!”.
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I think you need to go back and reread what I said rather than flip out about holding IBGY. I said that if 20 players are concurrently rezzing at the cave, you are wiping them. Repeatedly.
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Straight up, you do get waves from the cave. It is less about the number of players rezzing there than it is about the short distance back. So what you actually see…regularly…is 25ish players defending IBGY while the rest are zug zugging somewhere. You kill 10 and they zug zug right back to IBGY while you are fighting the other 15. It repeats. Over and over and over again until they finally wipe the Alliance there.
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Seriously. At least understand how it gets defended before going off on some tangent regarding player numbers. If you have killed 20 of the 25ish players defending IBGY fast enough that they are all rezzing there, you should hold that GY. If you can’t, you suck.
If the Horde aren’t completely stupid, they soft cap SH while all this is going on and most of their forces then go back to take IBGY. So now you have Alliance players with nowhere to rez but way north. The Horde don’t have to worry about reinforcements since they have the cave right there plus the influx from SH and SF. It’s not just 20 Horde.
Alright. Sorry.
I was a marshal in the AV 24/7 channel (it was an exclusive rank there, I didn’t actually rank high although I tended to play with the people actually going for ranks 13 or 14) and watching your healers slowly run out of mana and never actually leaving combat because of suicidal mages was heartbreaking. In the end we were simply skipping IBGY completely because riding all the way to Frostwolf or Relief Hut and taking that was actually EASIER than surviving an IBGY siege for five minutes. The moment we gave up on the IBGY graveyard/towers our win rate got very close to 100%, before we did that we had a huge chance of simply wiping in the middle of the map and waiting for the loss inside the Alliance cave.
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Again, take it up with someone arguing about the actual strategy. My point literally has nothing to do with whether it works. It is strictly contained to this myth about 20 rezzes somehow mattering. They don’t. If you crush 20 horde in 30 seconds, you are going to win. If you don’t, you sucked. Period. No other point made.
Yep. I am not arguing the efficacy of rushing IBGY. I think it is a bad strategy personally. I am strictly keeping my comments about the 20 man rez advantage. It isn’t one. It is literally the distance back and the difficulty to reinforce from the Alliance side that makes the cave an advantage. It is not the fact that 20 can rez at a time because Horde very rarely defend with 40 (or even 30) at IBGY. It is a wave over wave zerg you down approach to taking it back.
Yeah when the game starts the horde are like “Some go to SHGY to cap and some cut their zerg off and defend”. Groups don’t get assigned but somehow it just works out anyway.
Then, when winning like normal, a bunch of horde sit at the choke to stop alliance from getting south and everyone calls out any alliance that have made it south. It’s pretty much what you’d expect. When losing as horde the chat gets toxic.
As a Horde Player, if Alliance just simply defended more - they would win more.
We always dedicate people to defense to slow down the enemy herd, every player we kill when defending is another player that’s sent back to the top of the map after respawning - further delaying the assault.
Ya’ll really gotta look at optimizing your D a little more.
Literally 2-5 people can cause complete destruction when defending.
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IF the Horde are incompetent enough to not retake IB when they can reinforce it 4x as fast as Allies can get back there, AND you can get 25+ people of the right class and variety mix, AND those 25+ people are well geared and not keyboard turning morons, AND all 25+ have epic mounts to get there ASAP and set up a base before horde can react AND the horde waves that come at IB to retake it are dumb enough to not work together, lack healers, and/or ignore IB and try to ride through rather than retaking it…
Then Alliance has about a 50/50 shot of taking IB and keeping it long enough to matter in the grand scheme of the game. NOT WIN the game… Just “matter” in the game.
All of that, to have a shot at a coin flip.
But thems the brakes as Ally in AV; so if you are going to be stubborn and play that hot mess, the least you can do is give yourself a shot.
Meanwhile Alliance BG chat is straight out of the junior high locker room and anyone suggesting any form of strategy is immediately ridiculed. 
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You play AV?
That isn’t the problem. Alliance can defend SH all day until Horde bring the ice guy - and that’s happened more times than I can count. The problem is offense. It takes much longer for Alliance to get from SH to IBGY than it does for Horde to get from IBGY to SH. That, and Horde don’t really have to defend anything. They can ignore IBGY and all go on offense.
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I’m one of those druids that have to stealth south to kill LT’s because the plan to go SFGY fails…every single time. The ONLY time i’ve won AV games is when theres a very strong push to IBGY and we hold it. SFGY is pointless and puts you at a pincer attack disadvantage.
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