As the title states.
Examples -
Destruction Warlock
Windwalker Monk
Survival hunter
I have seen way too many of these spec’s this season, While i’m more than aware the god danged tier is broken. If you don’t know how to play the spec. Don’t reroll to it. Stop trying to get free carries from your spec being broken, i’ve come across more of these 3 specs this season that Either A: Have No idea what they’re doing, no idea how to use their utility, or use the Covenant utility. (Just had a warlock who didn’t use Urn once until told to use it, politely of course.) And he ended at 9.5k dps. in a 17 DoS. at 277 Ilvl with bis trinkets, full tier, double leggo, you get the idea. Guess what, his first ever KSM? This season.
Blizzard has got to stop making one spec / class more broken than other’s in such an enormous way, i’m well aware of the nerfs incoming to them in the next week and a half. But for future reference, Don’t Do this.
Not only that, but anyone who reroll’s to warlock especially, Never use their kick pet. Ever. and as a M+ Runner, when kicks are missed because the Warlock is too busy trying to Pad damage over doing mechanics is obnoxious.
Survival hunter, sure, it does good damage, but half of them don’t know how to use lust, how to use their cc / traps etc.
Windwalker monk, goes without saying. Spin spin spin. I personally enjoy Windwalker to a decently high degree, but i played it Back in BFA / Legion as well as this expansion, but i didn’t main swap to it, although i’ve frequently main swapped this expansion, none of it was to meta specs. Between Havoc, MM, Guard Druid, Fury War, etc. I’ve played every class this expansion and almost every spec besides warlock and dk. those two classes i still don’t even have at 60. while having several duplicates of the other classes.
Just stop rerolling. Find a class / spec you’re good at. and Stick to it.
There will always be a meta sadly. Do agree that the dps is massive sand people should learn the game before trying to reroll. But playing a meta class is nicer experience for many players. Not fun getting declined or not doing enough dps because spec issues. ( 26+ not having a lock is painful).
Maybe the gap issues will be addressed in dragons? Who knows.
I don’t think it matters what spec they are playing, people doing 17s aren’t going to be very good in general and that is ok. I’m sure if you posted logs of your main we could find many flaws in your gameplay
I agree with this 100% but sadly no one has control over this besides the player who is rerolling. I get the idea of rerolling but I don’t really agree with it. I just play what I enjoy and if the spec is good, cool. If not? I’ll be running my own keys. But it is what it is I guess lol.
The main issue here is why this stuff is meta. Destro is a spec with a gigantic 3m cd where they blast. The affixes and set allow them this blast window too often. They do busted damage.
Fotm reroller makes this class, holds cool downs for the perfect pull. Does sub tank damage.
Same thing happens with fire mage. It’s insane to me how some people hold cds for 3-7m and their class is healer damage without them.
I feel like people should roll the class they want to play, not the class that people say is better. Just because it is always nice having a variety and people become good at the class they truly enjoy, instead of seeing a bad player who cannot play their class but is only playing it because it is meta.
what really sucks is, specs like warrior dont even have blood lust or combat res… like a damn hunter has bloodlust because of a pet but a warrior doesn’t? like come on. If anyone deserves lust besides a shaman it has to be a warrior. hunter is pretty much always top tier for dps as well. tanks love misdirect, range kick, slow and cc trap, and blood lust… like damn.
When your class is the top damage spec and also has lust and combat res, it really makes it hard for any other dps to get invited.
As one who’s fluxuated through several specs this expansion, warrior being one of them, i understand your pain well, Fury is personally insanely fun to me and i love it in pve, but it doesn’t bring the utility other specs / classes do, i’m not saying they should give every class every utility, but every class should have SOMETHING unique about them that also makes them desirable in a dungeon or scenario no matter what it is
Fotm rerollers are entirely stupid. If people arent even doing plus 20s theres 0 people too even think about rerolling but people love too obsess about it for some reason.
Had a guy saying disc does 0 healing and dmg, like ya if ye suck at it of course its gonna do nothing, kicked me from a 17 when i had done the same key on a 20 strange stuff.
People get very scued perception of specs that arent meta.
i think you completely missed the point of my post, probably because you most likely Are one of those FoTM Rerollers. I’m not telling anyone how to play. I’m telling people to stop letting their depiction of a spec/class to play be specifically a meta spec.
and to Yuli, Exactly. People get misperceptions of non meta specs, when sometimes, the one playing the non meta spec at that level that the meta specs are doing, half the time the non meta spec player pulls more dps, does better mechanics, etc.
If the tank is pulling appropriately, survival hunters / destro locks are going to win every time. It’s a matter of how the spec functions and playing around them correctly. If you’re casually pushing through a 17, sure any spec has a chance and you’re better off playing the spec that you’re better at or enjoy more because mobs don’t even live long enough for those specs to even make a difference. There does come a point where playing a non-meta spec is going to be a hindrance or not inviting one could cost you the key. You can look at rio and look at the top keys done by non-meta specs and the comp will be meta tank, non-meta spec that you’re looking at, surv hunter, destro lock, meta healer. Every time. I’m hoping the tuning changes next week will change some of this, but it will also drop the top keys that people are able to do.
Seems like you need a few reading comprehension courses then. That section was litterally less then half of what i typed.
The obsession with meta in low keys is entirely community perception, which scues the view of nonmeta classes. In reality any class can doo 25s realitively easily.
People assume that if something isnt meta and considered bad that it litterally cant function in anything above a 10.
Almost no one plays at that level though. Also, there are specs that dominate quick pulls way better than surv and destro. Pair a destro with a frost dk in 23s and you’ll never hear the end of the warlock complaints.
Then there’s the whole situation of whether you need uncapped aoe. In 24, you don’t. It’s very rare you’ll exceed 8 targets, especially on fortified. And then there’s the lost value if the tank has to kite from surv and destro. Surv needs things very tightly grouped. WW/Fury really don’t and frost has some range to it.
Then you get to the healer slot, 2 competitive healers right now. Holy is only better because of pi on the destro. If you have a crap destro or mistime pi due to a lack of communication, shaman is better.
For tanks, there’s definitely a tier system, but to really shine on bdk, you have to be good (most seasons) your lack of mobility and good defensives mean all mistakes are a death sentence.
Tldr: the meta is for the top keys, most players are potatoes, play what you want and the difference is probably minimal to your success.
The sentence above the one you quoted pretty much summed up your whole post
My point, by and large is that there is a point to the meta. But you’re right, most people don’t understand why a spec is meta, how to utilize why that spec is meta and for 99% of keys it doesn’t matter if its meta. That could be said for every season. This season has been unique in the fact that 2 specs are broken to the point where there are about 5-6 key levels that aren’t getting pulled off without them. As you mentioned, those 5-6 key levels are still not even close to the wheelhouse of the majority of the people here or the people playing in general.
