Stop Prematurely Nerfing Content

[Eightiesguy-atiesh]

@Dragaan-windseeker

Brutallus had just over 10mil HP when initially released in tbc. For years now, private servers that have been buffing tbc content have had him with like 16mil hp and the same enrage timer. There are guilds that still kill him no problem (with raid dps fluctuating between the 40ks and the low 60k’s). A lot of these guilds are very optimized, though, with rotating heroisms, using multiple annihilators and even un’goro crystals to reduce armor as much as possible, etc. But anyway… the rest of the content in tbc classic may very well actually be easier than Vashj or Kael are right now.

I don’t see any fights in BT/Hyjal giving the top 1000 guilds any problems whatsoever. In sunwell, M’uru, in his very first form with pushback from negative energy and all that, MIGHT be a minor challenge. MIGHT. I’m not sure. KJ may end up proving harder for all I know (although if that’s the case then they’ll both be stomped). I don’t have any idea how guilds have been doing M’uru on these private servers, never looked it up, but I’d wager most ppl will use the og Drow strat of multiple prot pallies and just stack locks and aoe both sides together in one big pile. ez mode.

For more average guilds, casual guilds, even most ‘midcore’ or “semi-hc” guilds, there will be a few more roadblocks, but I don’t see anything but OG M’uru or POSSIBLY KJ giving trouble equal to t5 endbosses. Mother will still be a challenge for them, for sure. Illidan and even Archi will also give somewhat of a challenge (all 3 of those will depend on just how weak their weakest links are). I’m sure Reliquary will give a lot of guilds some trouble at first as well. But I don’t see any of them being more challenging than t5 endbosses for more average guilds.

Going by Pserver stats is probably the dumbest thing you can do.

Remember when all of those Pserver try hards swore up and down warriors were “trash” in TBC…and now they are tied with hunters on average dps for T5 content

[Wooppee-mankrik]

@Dreamsphere-westfall

TBH each phase should just launch in its nerfed state. There should be no “pre-nerf then nerf later” situation that we’re getting now.

“I am the lowest common denominator. Cater to me.”

[Speedred-sargeras (Speedred)]

You play lfr in retail don’t you?

[Zalanii-herod]

@Eightiesguy-atiesh

Pserver try hards swore up and down warriors were “trash” in TBC

They didn’t call them trash, they said fury warriors brought no real benefit or raid synergy. Which they don’t.

But fury warriors were 100% played on pservers with many parsing extremely high on some fights.

[Dreamsphere-westfall]

@Speedred-sargeras

You play lfr in retail don’t you?

I don’t play retail, I quit on MoP. I’m just not an idiot.

[Wooppee-mankrik]

And yet, you need nerfs to clear TBCC content.

[Eightiesguy-atiesh]

@Zalanii-herod

They didn’t call them trash, they said fury warriors brought no real benefit or raid synergy. Which they don’t.

But fury warriors were 100% played on pservers with many parsing extremely high on some fights.

Lol no, they literally said they were trash in dmg. You can even go on youtube and watch videos of people saying it. In fact I’ll list a few of those people like Metagoblin, Kargoz inc the pserver he interviewed on his deep dive, WillE and there’s even meme videos of warriors in TBC.

Hell you can look at logs right now and in the 95 percentile fury is in the top 4 while the 99th percentile fury is 2nd (beating locks and hunters).

[Rosamoon-fairbanks]

You should not look at top parse. Warr with trinket and CD uptime is so strong.

[Myotsu-earthfury]

Would be nice for them to remove/toggle trash respawns.

[Zalanii-herod]

@Eightiesguy-atiesh

Lol no, they literally said they were trash in dmg. You can even go on youtube and watch videos of people saying it. In fact I’ll list a few of those people like Metagoblin, Kargoz inc the pserver he interviewed on his deep dive, WillE and there’s even meme videos of warriors in TBC.

Then they didn’t pay attention to private servers, fury on some fights when fully supported could do wild dps. It’s just they don’t add synergy other than their dps.

Until they have dual glaives in sunwell with fights that don’t punish stacking too many melee

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[Kerg-bloodsail-buccaneers]

There were definitely people on here claiming that fury dps sucked. I remember arguing with one person who swore up and down that fury would do HALF the dps of a hunter/warlock. But those people were just talking out of their azz.

There were also a lot of people coming from Classic vanilla, where fury was OP, who hated warriors and wanted really badly for them to be run out of the game. So they exaggerated a lot.

[Wooppee-mankrik]

Even 90th percentile fury warriors are right with BM hunters.

[Coldsteal-faerlina]

I don’t care if they nerf an RNG mechanic that simply causes headaches based on how wrong it can go. I do hope that they don’t put BT out any time soon because now that the bosses can die in a manner that doesn’t require “luck” or using third party addons that tell you you’re unlucky… it will give the guilds who have been doing this since launch and don’t have 10 hours a week to spend in SSC a chance to get the gear they actually wanted. BT needs to be delayed at least until next Feb.

[Kite-windseeker]

you can kill spore bats, last phase would be longer but its viable strat. most thought just burn and pray they get the kill in time before everyone dies from mc’s / shock blast / poison

[Qbert-fairbanks]

@Kerg-bloodsail-buccaneers

There were definitely people on here claiming that fury dps sucked.

And people claiming arcane mages would suck on long fights like Vashj.