Stop playing with cheaters

Don’t play with people who knowingly exploit.
Don’t play with people who buy gold.
Don’t play with people who account share.

Don’t play with cheaters.

If you want to get rid of RMTs in Classic(Era, SoD, and Anniversary) shun the cheaters.
Kick them out of your guilds.
Kick them from your groups.
Put them on ignore.

Stop playing with cheaters.

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I always refused to do the logout skip at the beginning of sunken temple :expressionless: I told my party that I felt it was cheating, and they usually respected my decision and did it the right way.

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wow they did a thing that was removed the monsters

I’m not a fan of the skips either, but it sounds like Blizz broke all of them.

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yes, an example of #GoodChanges :expressionless:

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Not all changes are bad.
The Dual Spec was a good change.
The LFG tool is kinda wonky but it’s good enough that I barely used the LFG chats anymore. I usually just queue for a dungeon while I’m questing and get a random invite or a message 20 minutes later.

I don’t think the tool is made for instant groups, I think it’s meant for how I’ve using it.
That is, queue for a dungeon while you’re doing other stuff and if you get a message/invite you go run the dungeon, if you don’t, you continue fishing or herbing or mining or whatever.

I’d still use the LFG chats over the tool if I wanted a group NOWNOWNOW.

Bring back logout skips.

wrong :expressionless:

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Explain why you think it’s a bad change exactly.

Talents should have weight. They become weightless if you can just flip a switch. Also tons of specs that people will stop using as there will be no reason to, such as certain warlock/hunter specs that allow you to PvP and PvE.

Plus it being available at level 40 and before MC is out tells me Blizzard thinks people need dual spec to do BRD. Overall seems like a change to bring more retail players over than something aimed at the vanilla community.

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elaborate on how and why this is a problem.

how and why is it a problem that I, a Hunter, can use a 5/31/15 spec for PVE and then switch to a 0/21/30 spec for PVP?

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What’s cheating?

Some classes have no ability to farm in their raid specs.

Forcing them to pay 50g multiple times a week to respec while you don’t have to because your spec is already optimal for what you want to do and raiding.

With how expensive respecs are without dual spec if I were in a guild that wanted me to spec a specific way I’d make them pay for it or find a different guild.

here we go :grimacing:

Bruh i’m playing a rogue.
My spec will be the same for PVP and PVE(I’m combat).

Dual spec will have zero impact on my gameplay.
I don’t even intend to unlock it.

If I were playing a Warrior, Druid, or Priest it’d be a different story.

Because it removes the choice and compromise of developing a character that fits your playstyle. All the content is full of hyper optimised builds rather than variety. You don’t get to put time and thought into your builds, you just apply the cookie cutter build for the present circumstance.

Dual spec is a change in the wrong direction, exacerbating rather than alleviating the problem. It’s a problem either way, could have been addressed by making respeccing less accessible, rather than more.

Of course I understand most players prefer to have their cake and eat it too, and balk at the notion of consequential choices. But you asked what’s bad about it - this is it.

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That’s how it works without Dual Spec.
Or do you seem a ton of Ret Pallies, Boomkins, Feral Kitties/Bear Tanks, or survival hunters in raids?

Dual spec lets people who would otherwise be unable to farm efficiently(Holy Priests, Resto Druids, Prot Warriors) do so without spending 100g swapping their specs back and forth for raid/not raid.

It also allows the Fury/Prot raid tanks to spec MS for PVP without having to spend 100g to swap their specs back and forth.

Dual spec has zero impact on me because I’m playing a combat rogue.

Stop thinking of yourself and think of other players for once.

Like I said, it removes compromise and stifles variety. You gave examples of how it does that.

In a world without respeccing going full holy is a serious commitment. Most people would choose compromise builds that let them both farm and heal. You don’t actually NEED to be the best at everything you do. You can heal all the content as full shadow spec, let alone a compromise spec that focuses a little more on healing.

Similarly, if you value PvP you might choose to get MS rather than running a hyper optimised fury prot build for tanking. That might mean you don’t get the main tank spot because someone else is willing to specialise. So be it. You can make your choices and then lie in the bed you make.

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it seems to me that far too many players are completely married to this 2004 design philosophy “YOUR SPEC SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING”.

as a Hunter (which to me is not a very good example class, but Corpseknife specified Hunter and Warlock), if I want to switch between a PVE and a PVP spec, I can do that. the gold cost really isn’t an obstacle in 2024. the inconvenience factor of having to go to a city, go to a trainer, and then – what is the single most obnoxious part of switching specs for every single player – deal with a hassle of redoing all of my action bars (woo riveting gameplay woo) does not make me value one spec in particular, nor does it have any impact on my in-game identity (“hur dur Hunter shoot bow dur dur”).

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What variety is there in Raid specs for Hunters exactly?

In a world without dual specs a Full Holy priest is relying on everybody else around them to help them do anything that isn’t Dungeon or Raid related.

People get forced into specs they don’t want to play because they want to raid and then they quit the game because they’re tired of paying the respec tax to play the game they actually enjoy.

If you do that you’re likely not tanking at all and you might even lose your DPS spot because of the MS Debuff.

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