There is no reason such a braindead spec with zero buttons should be out performing by so much. It has all the damage, all the CDs for mitigation, all the healing. When the F are we going to have a season where people are able to play Holy and not be the lowest tier healer there is. Disc is OP in raid, arena and M+, it’s not like there’s even a choice.
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I haven’t had a Discipline Priest beat me in raid yet.
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Just move to another class. Devs clearly do not care about Holy. We’ve been drinking copium since Legion to expect the class to have some sort of identity with some unique utility…
I’ve already moved to this char as resto druid, I’ve never healed as Rdruid so I have 0 experience, and I’m already timing 10s without knowing all dungeons and 647 ilvl lol.
Being able to interrupt is so good, have tons of mobility, Barkskin + Ironbark saved me so many times, my heals are insane once I got my tier set, soothe is great there are a ton of enrage to dispel that makes thing easier, also I CAN NOW DISPEL CURSES! it’s so useful on some dungeons here.
As a hpriest I wouldn’t be able to do not even 30% of all that.
And I’m not even saying I’m also bringing Brez and the best party buff of the game with 3% vers
I really feel bad for Hpriest enjoyers (I was one myself) and it’s sad how Blizzard treats the only pure Holy caster of the game.
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I can’t the only reason I played WoW was to roll Holy Priest. I been lovin the unit since WC3 days, and I’ve always liked healer roles as a cleric style heals. I’ve played other classes and specs at a high level and Holy is just what I enjoy aesthetically and gameplaywise. TBH the way they reworked Holy right now isn’t bad. I’m enjoying everything except how weak we are compared to everyone else. We need better tuning and we need talents like PoH and our holy words to become baseline, and more talents to buff them up and round out our role. Being a spot healer feels great until you need to perform large scale group AOE healing. And our damage feels very high effort without reward right now. Holy Nova is too weak, and smite might as well not exist.
@efi At the level you’re playing that doesn’t surprise me.
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At the level you’re playing it surprises me you’re complaining. Leaderboards and rankings suggest you have a ways to go before you should be struggling.
Looking at raider io for dungeons and public logs for raid, holy has cleared all dungeons at +14 (most +15) and 5/8 mythic (have no doubt it can 8/8 mythic just no public logs past 5).
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I’m not struggling at all in anything. The point is Disc is so OP you can’t PUG into higher stuff easily at all. You will get kicked from groups when they see Holy.
Also,
Even though you’re clueless and probably willfully ignorant I’ll help explain to you. I’m on the murlok IO page as a top world holy priest… that’s pathetic since I’ve only played barely 2 weeks of the season. Nobody is playing holy. it’s bad. If you look at Raider IO nearly 30% of heals are disc. Hpal/Priest 6% evoker 3% MW and restro sham 20% druid 15%. Holy Priest is again a bottom ranked healer and rightfully so. Yes, obviously you can still do mythic raiding and high M+ on the spec, that’s not the point. Getting gapped by vastly superior specs is the problem. When a few options are so good nobody wants to take them, it’s a problem.
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Lol let’s be real about the title of this thread.
Disc has been overpowered in dungeons for exactly 2 tiers since… IDK legion? They’ve been a staple in raid, sure, but overpowered? It’s more just having barrier than anything else.
Holy should be buffed, but come on, disc is hardly like a major problem in dungeons - if they nerfed voidweaver a chunk we’d be in druid/monk city. It’s like saying Holy deserves how weak it is because in S4 of shadowlands they were insanely dominant. It doesn’t make any sense.
I’m all for nerfing a class that’s like insanely dominant. But right now, it’s basically just voidweaver being dominant in dungeons and that’s it. In raid Pally, Shaman and Hpriest are just behind a lot right now and need buffs. But disc is absolutely hanging out with the other 3, not really obviously eclipsing them.
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idc to nerf disc or any class, other classes should be buffed up to compete. The way disc is designed though its like AUG. It breaks the game or it sucks. It needs to be reworked since its just another OP support spec that does it all.
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I understand.
Personally I love the fantasy of a cleric/holy caster too, and I’ve mained hpriest since ending of tbc.
But getting an update in 11.1 and not having a single iteration over the changes made during PTR it just felt like a bad joke to me. The update clearly still has many flaws and none of them have been asserted during testing period.
There are a lot of posts here in the forums and content creators that did a lot of feedback about it and nothing has been taken into consideration.
That was it for me.
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It’s easier for people like OP to come to the forums and complain about not getting invited into a few keys than to make your own push group.
@ OP the way you worded this entire thread isn’t going to make anyone sympathetic to your/holy’s plight. Your “greater than thou” attitude is probably more or less why no one wants you in their groups.
The gap isnt that big. 12’s are the new 10’s and holy can do 14;s like mentioned above. You have no right to even complain until you are at 14’s. You still have a ways to go before people think you are good enough to get invites as a non meta healer champ. Try getting 11’s/12’s done before queueing into groups that want quick/easy/meta runs. ( or again make your own groups )
Do you honestly get kicked from groups for being Holy? How many times would you say you get kicked for it? Like a %.
I need some real data mate.
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So far all but 2x 12 applied to ive been kicked or declined. Crazy since 12 isnt even that high.
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I once got a hate mail for being holy in a key that ended up bricking for other reasons. Not sure how they didn’t notice my spec when they invited me or even before the key started lol. But I am hoping to move into 12s soon, have 2 11s left to time. I actually got into a 12 earlier but a dps bricked it sadly.
Tbh not sure what you mean. Maybe, all but 2 times you applied to 12s you were kicked or declined?
I’m assuming you feel like the declines were because you think they looked you up and saw you’re Holy (unless you clarify you’re Holy in a note or something).
Yeah, I can’t think of any reason to decline a healer for 12s that are at that level. It’s not like you’re trying to do stuff too high for you.
Sounds like a group that needed a meta spec to carry them. Unfortunately healer hate can be part of the role, but at least less so in PvE than PvP.
I mean, even as disc I don’t get invited to every group I apply to. But can eventually run things I’m qualified for. I’ve played many off-meta healing specs and that’s usually the case, altho I rarely do anything at the very bleeding edge. I wouldn’t consider 12s bleeding edge.
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No, getting spammed in chat to disc then getting kicked. It happens. Its sad.
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All this. The OP is no different from any given (favorite class) that’s salty that (favorite class preferred spec) is 2% behind (favorite class meta spec). It doesn’t matter if the meta pick isn’t overpowered - it’s all about balance being imperfect and the nature of infinite scaling results in the meta ruling out every minor disadvantage, perceived or real.
The OP would still be mad if holy were equally viable as disc in all content because the perception that disc is better would still exist. Shamans, druids, and monks complained about disc in M+ last season but they all pushed just as high as disc did, but the perception that disc was slightly better meant that the potential “accurate” healer rep split in high keys shifted from 30/25/25/20 to 60/20/10/5 or whatever. They were all just salty that they lost the popularity contest, not that disc was overpowered.
Blizz likes it when 1 healer (disc) and 1 tank (VDH) is massively better than the rest for some reason.
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Both disc and VDH are like very close to being replaced by their counterparts if they saw any significant nerfs. I wouldn’t say they’re massively better at all.
Mistweavers and Resto Druids are only slightly behind.
Umm, there are more DHs than the rest of the tanks combined.
Same with disc, more of them than all of the rest of the other healers combined.
And Mistweaver just got hit with a blanket 25% damage nerf lol.
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This is almost always true of every single season of M+ since the “god comp” days. ESPECIALLY if you only filter for the top 3 key levels in M+. Let’s talk Resto Shaman in TWW Season 1, vs the first patch where they got a minor nerf. This is just a dishonest way of gaming the data lol.
If you take that down just one key level that fact completely changes.