I enjoy playing a Holy Paladin in Shadowlands. There, I said it! I love the melee healing focus. Holy Power - though an adjustment as first - has really grown on me. Our numbers are great - players just have to put effort into their gameplay and their build. Personally, I’ve topped the charts in every fight and put out just as much damage as my team’s disc priest.
Now, are things perfect? Hell no. For one, our mobility is not where it should be (bring back Long Arm of the Law please!), and Infusion of Light needs to be restored to its previous state. But none of our problem require a full class rework - we just need a couple of tweaks, that’s all.
So please - step back, take a breath, and look at all the positives that this spec has to offer.
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you forgot to add you soloed all the mythic raid bosses as well and made off with the wardens daughter
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I tend to agree with the OP. It’s not a busted spec. It’s okay. The cooldowns are really what make it an engaging spec to play. But isn’t that how holy has always been?
I do agree though that it would be nice to see a little more synergy between builders and spenders. Flash and Holy Light feel bolted onto the spec. IMO, give Holy a healing benefit to using Shield of the Righteous. It doesn’t have to be amazing. Just something to give people a choice. Yes, you’re already trading healing for damage with SotR, but it would be nice if there was some added value to SotR. A clearcasting proc or a buff to your next LotM would give people more reason to sacrifice those 3 holy power.
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I just want an interrupt that isn’t reliant on the enemy being stunnable.
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i just want to cast holy light in raid xD
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Most things people are suggesting aren’t really full re-works anyway.
IE: most people seem to be asking for a buff to ranged hopo generation (can be done by minor talent tweaks or replacements or changing infusion) and improvements to flash/holy light.
Bringing back beacon of the lightbringer mechanics in some form would be nice too.
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with enough haste holy is actually good. i just wish divine toll had a mass cleanse. a alot of people who can remove dots in dungeons don’t and its annoying.
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I’ll admit that I was one of those people that said holy needed a rework, but since season one has dropped my mind has changed and I think the spec is really good. Sure it could use a few things such as a aoe heal that generates HP besides Divine Toll, but overall its pretty good.
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When Holy Light and Flash of Light are not even showing up in the top ten of our heals then you know our spec is broken.
Just because we can rustle together a decent build to push out numbers doesn’t make us ok.
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It isn’t broken if you are intended to have the majority of your healing come from passive or instant cast healing though.
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people just have to complain to complain my only complaint is just how strong holy shock build is with the shock barrier lego and divine toll kind of feel like ive gimped myself going for the other lego first so now im going to be a week behind in upgrading shock barrier.
holy is 2nd bottom healer
i mean its fine and u can take it to raid but its still 2nd weakest healer
beating green parsing shamans barely when your orange parsing doesnt make the spec great lol
Yes, and rather than attempt to fix the fundamental issues which put us here, the devs nerfed IoL and made GoL a talent.
What an unbelievably sad state of affairs.
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what is green and orange parsing?
I think what he’s saying is you’d have to be a top 1% holy paladin to outperform a run of the mill shaman dropping healing rain and riptide.
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Holy paladin is awful, healers we’re not meant to be melee, In most mmos healers arent melee either. They took a perfectly good tank healer and turned it into a spam rotation in melee, It feels terrible to play.
Please kindly show me where a law stating that it’s illegal to design a healer to function optimally in melee range is. I’m waiting.
Personally I only want 3 things myself.
-Rebuke: If you want me to be a melee pls let me help with interrupts.
-Make Infusion of Light worth using. Whether that’s holy power generation or simply reverting to bfa.
-Make the other covenants more competitive with Kyrian. I know Venthyr is close but only in settings where the group works around it.
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A healer is generally tasked with restoring health, removing poison-like effects, and reviving fallen party members. That is the entire point of a healer, Which is done AT RANGE, Classic, Tbc, Wrath , Cata, MoP, Wod, Legion, BFA all had ranged healers, Now shadowlands has talents for a melee healer build that takes 0 skill and is spamming. It is terrible anyone will tell you that. You have Holy Light and Flash of light and FUNNY THING, you dont even use those in pve because your melee spamming
A paladin can do all these things but still melee. Same with Monks, same with Druids if they are cat or bear affinity.
And yet. Despite the fact Holy Light and Flash of Light are rarely used. The paladin is infact fulfilling its role as you stated. It is restoring health, removing poison like effects. and reviving fallen party members. Infact one could think of their instant cast spam as their reward for taking the extra risk to melee as it gives them the resources nessecary to lean on their instant heals and be “mobile” and thus handle the mechanics no worse/better then another melee class.
Also paladins do have one glaring weakness. They have no reliable way to AoE heal outside of Light of Dawn, they also have no true HoT mechanic outside of maybe Judgment of Light.
Also please I’ve melee healed in classic as a paladin. Throw judgment of justice on a humanoid target so they dont flee, or Judgment of Light/Wisdom depending on the group comp for healing/mana, smack away to keep the judgment up l, spot heal with FoL and HoL as needed, cleanse as needed, and keep smacking. Just because it can’t always be done doesn’t mean it doesnt exist.
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Okay lol you have judgement of light or wisdom that you run up to a boss too and hit it once for 30 seconds… and you’re not even required to do that because it takes up a debuff slot… So that makes 0 sense. You never use Holy light or flash heal in melee mode, I’ve done all heroic castle and im 5 mythic bosses down, still RARELY EVER use them.