Yeah dont bring wod down to bfa levels, things were least looking postive then!
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I have to agree with this. There are 3 expansions I’ve hated since WOW has been released.
I hated the Idea of MoP, it felt like a Aprils Fools joke when announced, and it felt like it was PANDAring to Chinese players the whole time. However for the most part the questing and gameplay and class design of MoP was some of the Best in WOW history.
I HATED the NO FLYING announcement for WOD, I was part of the QUITE WOW as a protest over that. I dislike pathfinder, but it’s a compromise I can live with. I felt WOD was half complete, and it was by far the dumbest premise for an expansion in any Game I have ever played. However I would say PVP was the best in WOD, I would say I liked the look and feel of WOD more than MOP, it felt like WarCraft to me. It wasn’t the best expansion, but it wasn’t a complete failure.
BfA, well it’s premise angers me, but fits the WarCraft universe better than MOP or WOD, The Zones and look and feel of BfA are good, although Horde side getting a Troll Expansion makes me chuckle, as that was a Joke people made back in Wrath. Pirates & Witches Alliance side was a lot of fun. Sadly the content lasted less than a week. the half done feel of WOD still had a ton of more content than BfA. What BfA has is good, but it’s too little, and gone too soon. PVP is ok, but not great, the grind isn’t as bad as Asian MMOs or even early MMOs, but because it lacks content and rewards, it all feels kind of pointless. BfA in someways could have been a great expansion, but it falls short in every-way possible.
Which is sad, because I want to love it, I like Pirates and witches, horde side I like the Troll expansion. But I finished everything on both my Horde and Alliance mains in the first month, and I have finished the Story for each new content update the week it comes out. I’m not playing M+ or Raiding, so there is no reason for me to grind and grind and grind meaningless content.
However I will say, since this is Ions big Expansion, I’m sure Mythic Raiders and M+ dungeons are great for those who play those things, as Ion is one of the best Raid designers ever, however he’s terrible at running WOW.
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WoD was the last time there was real character progression. That is why BFA leveling felt so bad. Character progression nearly non existent since level 100.
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This isn’t really a great analogy; nobody is down-crying the technical side of BfA (aside from the copious number of bugs, which will always exist). The game looks and plays as good or better than it ever has.
The bad bit is, ever increasingly, the design choices from a gameplay standpoint.
People still love cars of yesteryear, and car manufacturers in the pursuit of the dollar still manage to make cars that people hate today, despite much more than 6 years of tech advancement.
Until consumer behavior manages to work in a collective fashion to force the hand of content creators (which it is unlikely ever to do), content creators that are driven by money as a primary force will make decisions in the best interest of money, rather than their product’s quality. Sometimes the two things line up, and you get a good product. Often, it doesn’t, and you get BfA.
We are comparing trash to trash. The current trash shouldn’t be trash as the lessons from WoD should have been learned and ended up in a better product. Even if you consider BFA slightly better we shouldn’t be comparing it to WoD because it should have certaintly been dramatically better.
To that end WoD should have never happened either considering we had BC and Wrath to go off of or if you enjoyed MoP we had that to go off of which was infinitely better than WoD. People are more confused on how the developers are somehow making the game worse than it was a decade ago as if they dont have blatant lessons and concepts to draw from that absolutely worked.
The current situation would be like if Counter Strike suddenly started to become a far worse version of CoD, but failed for the next decade and everyone is left scratching their heads wondering what in the hell happened to sticking with a working formula. Blizzard apparently thinks it dramatically needs to change, but games like LoL, Dota and Counter Strike blatantly point out this is not the case and this is just a failed evolution that plays out far more like a de-evolution.
People are comparing wod to bfa as 1 to 1 when bfa should be far better than wod due to 4 years of development
WoD happened because they listened to people. BFA is happening because they aren’t listening to people.
Probably not a good comparison. Just saying.
no. bad content is just bad. it is not better than no content. also, we have what, 9 - 10 months of BfA left, and this is it. you think people are going to be doing this 
for more than a month or two? this is worse than WoD!
I’ll bet 5 grand that the people praising WoD right now would have been freaking out when it was live.
I’ll take another 2 years of WOD over a single patch of BFA.
And a third patch. The fact that BFA can’t climb over WoD’s corpse shows how bad BFA truly is.
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wod had years of development too. every expac starts about 4 years before it’s released. so that argument is baseless and pointless. it boils down to the game devs not really knowing what their systems end point is and what they want to do.
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This is exactly the problem for me. I dont know what the end point is. I feel like im in an infinite series of tasks for ILVL upgrades and I can’t even tell you why I NEED them. The games just a long series of grinds that take you nowhere. At least in Vanilla, BC the grinds had an excellent payoff in the form of new content, now its just… idk just infinitely grinding ILVLs.
Hindsight is always 20/20 my friends. You’re just realizing that maybe WoD wasn’t that terrible.
And in the future you’ll realize BFA wasn’t that bad either.
But there ARE legit points of comparison.
Both stories sort of set players expectations up and then wimped out, making much of the expac feel like that old Peggy Lee song:
“Is that all there is? Is that all there is.
If that’s all there is, my friend,
then let’s keep dancing. . .”
Both expacs felt like they were sort of abandoned because the main features were fail. WoD more than BfA, but still.
Both expacs’ missteps were utterly confounding given what was done well in the expac previous. How did they not learn from what was popular about the expac right before?
Yeah, you could say BfA is the more confoundingly bad one because WoD was earlier. BfA also had Ion in charge overall. Make of that what you will.
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Idk about that. Wod had lots of ideas but all poorly developed. Player housing was bad, content was terrible etc. People that didnt raid finished all the content too early.
I dont mind grinding for grindings sake but there needs to be an end point to every grind. Hopefully horror forging is a sign of the end of titanforging. I wish we would go back to the days of eithee no forging or just warforging. Warforging was really limited so there was no one great trinket you had to reform every patch cause of the new ilvl cap.
Only if the next Expansion is actually worse than BFA. There is a reason people aren’t comparing BFA and Legion or BFA and Burning Crusade. Because there is a general sentiment of good and bad, not that people magically love old things. Cataclysm and WoD are proof people dont love old things. People still think WoD was bad and its been compared with BFA because BFA is in the same bad basket, not because WoD wasn’t “that terrible”. It was and BFA is.
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i think you missed the point. WoD was bad. BfA is worse. those people that survived the nuclear holocaust might think,“you know, i miss BfA” but that’s about it.
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When you put it that way makes BFA look even worse.