i’m not new, i’m so old it hurts sometimes, i have just taken long breaks from this game.
i also am addressing the OP complaint of “all”(most) bg’s being stacked. i think it deserves looking at as people will abuse the system to grief others cause they are toxic.
i have said i have no problem with grouping in randoms, other than the feel that it is necessary to get in said grouping to have a game that isn’t an instant loss(once again in Most/Many games).
i also do not mind losing, but a good (reads close) game every now and then wouldn’t be remiss. i had one in 4 hours playing today and it was cause the pre made(all guildies) on ally side wasn’t that good, and our side was randoms.
memeing git gud bs doesn’t help any discussion as “gud” has different levels that we all fall short of at some point.
also not struggling personally, just half the games are a wash from go due to abuse of the system.
There is no abuse of the system… Being in a 5 man group isn’t abuse, it’s smart. I’m having a real hard time understanding your point. The ‘toxic’ people you speak of do exactly the same as casual people playing with their friends… Any fix you could be asking for would harm everyone wanting to play with their friends doing casual pvp. People aren’t doing something special, they are most likely in premade communities, to organize 5 man groups.
I’m in a few very large bg communities and basically everyone I’ve played with is super chill, and not this ‘toxic’ type of person you are acting like they are. Just chilling with people farming out honor in BGs.
camping gy as a 2 priest 3 balance druid pre made in wsg while capping one flag and holding the other is toxic.
most blow outs are just that, because of the pre made but still just a hard loss. the toxic is in 20% of the games where people are doing this. if you don’t see it i must be in a different battle group,if that is still a thing, as it is constant and on all 3 of my toons.
“not abuse it is smart” makes it not just smart but necessary. people not enjoying games is bad for games, bad for games is bad for players. alot of games today were blow outs i got into half way, and as someone who won’t wreck anothers queues i won’t leave either.
i have seen games i love die and they start with the toxic having free rein to do whatever to whomever.
i don’t care about the people that are playing for fun with friends.
as to battle groups that isn’t random queue, sorry. don’t know what that has to do with this discussion.
But that isn’t abuse… and gy camping isn’t toxic. Just because you dont like it doesn’t make it toxic. It’s a show of dominance. There is an obvious skill imbalance here, and possible comp problem. This is random BGs, I’m sorry you are having a problem understanding this.
it is a game.
made for fun.
if more than half the players are not having fun it isn’t really working.
saying it needs work means it needs work, not you cannot play with your friends.
your first go is to call people saying it needs work casuals, git gud,(don’t play and get off your game?).
this is randoms and where casuals go to play the game. not everyone is going to play the same way or level but stacking a full rated bg into where the “casuals” live is toxic. sorry but your sub cost the same as mine and OP’s sub.
you do not get to say others gaming needs are not valid.
You can see my honor level, I do a lot of casual PVP, I’ll admit it. Rated PVP is so tiring, for me, I can only do so much of it.
I’ve communicated with so so many players. I have not witnessed this massive amount of dissatisfaction that you are saying. Yes everyone is like ‘blah they have a premade’. Sometimes the premade is really bad, sometimes it’s really good. Most just strug it off, and q up for the next one.
There is no possible solution to correcting this, other than not allowing friends to q up and do casual pvp together. I don’t know what to tell you.
i also do alot of casual pvp.
as my friend group is a bunch of dirty pve’rs that took advantage of war mode to no longer be on a pvp server as it is i am linked to the people that would like to play but will not as it is sweaty at random levels of pvp.
you lose alot of the player base with this happening, at a higher clip you will lose more “casuals” and that isn’t good for games ever.
but when people leave games at the rate they are i’m going to guess there are alot of people getting tired of the state. and with every leave you mess up not just that guys game but the guy who fills him’s queue. that’s where i get the more than half. there are more losers than winners here.
read the previous posts again, read them a third time, then pass sixthform english and read them once more.
i was clearly talking of games that fail all the time, but being as how wow doesn’t post sub counts and their stocks are way lower for shadowlands than they expected maybe wow should be in there, possibly for other reasons though.
Ok. Let me go back and double check. And triple check.
"i also do alot of casual pvp. as my friend group is a bunch of dirty pve’rs that took advantage of war mode to no longer be on a pvp server as it is i am linked to the people that would like to play but will not as it is sweaty at random levels of pvp. you lose alot of the player base with this happening, at a higher clip you will lose more “casuals” and that isn’t good for games ever."
Yup, looks like you’re talking about WoW on a WoW forum in a WoW thread about WoW.
The kiddos have been at it for years and is why I refuse to solo que until at least bedtime. Funny the things you notice when you healed full-time for years.