I wanna analyze what they added to rogue this expansion in comparison to other specs/classes this season going into shadowlands from BFA. So first off all we got back was shiv back in a nerfed version that offers very little utility, for sub we got a nerfed version of poisons and rupture instead of nightblade which is frankly very meh and barely used in arena unless there is literally nothing else to press. In comparison warrior got intervene, mages got alter time, paladins got WoG but rogues got shiv…
Conduits: by far it feels like the people that worked on rogue weren’t that creative at all ( no offence) like not a single interesting conduit they came up with, everything is boring and uninspired and doesn’t change your gameplay or even have impact it by a little, in comparison to the conduit that makes druids auto heal back to full health in stuns, 30% more damage on combustion conduit or the conduit that makes condemn more available. An example of this they added a conduit that increases your backstab damage after using shadowstrikes… you have to be out of touch with the class to add such a conduit
Soulbinds: none of them even remotely benefit rogue, most of them require rogue to stand still to get a minimal benefit which is impossible, or weird stuff like overhealing like who designed those for rogue? obviously they were designed for other classes and rogues were left behind, from my experience you can literally remove soulbinds tomorrow and rogue won’t lose anything which is ironic because its good but at the same time other classes got crazy stuff that rogue feels like a dated spec almost.
Covenants: 4 covenant abilities, arguably the weakest 4 in the game. for every spec there is one or 2 good covenant abilities such as mindgames for priests, keryan or venthyr for warriors, 3 viable covenants for mages and for rogues literally every covenant ability is boring af and also weak in comparison to condemn, mindgames, chain harvest, divine toll, etc… all those abilites are actually game changers while on rogue you can remove sepsis tomorrow the spec won’t be any less viable necro dot that does 150 damage per tick isn’t that interesting either.
before the clowns come in here and missinterpret me for asking for buffs, I’m not I want them to rework the spec.
Is rogue good enough for R1? Yes
Is rogue a A-B tier class? Yes (Rmp Only)
is rogue fun or interesting anymore? NO
Sub rogue is such a dull spec, so is assassination and I hope they bring back the rogue class that I loved, most people that are playing rogue now they are playing it because they invested too much time into it.
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Rogues get nerfed one time, and they are losing their minds.
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Rogues can play several other comps and still remain A tier.
Rogue/boomy
Rogue/Lock
Rogue/Shadow
Okay, you said those were A tier right? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3 here is the 3v3 ladder show me which team plays those 3 comps
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Of course rmp will be favored but saying that’s the only comp shows your lack of experience also.
Says the mage that got 3 viable covenants, 1 S tier spec and 1 A tier spec, 10 different viable combinations of conduit and soulbinds, got alter time and mirros, and frostbolt back also got nerfed 3 times and still the best spec in the game but yeah its def rogues over reacting
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But your statement is untrue, I haven’t seen a single Rogue/Lock team or Rogue/Boomy and you said it was A tier so I expect A tier to show up in high rating or tourney gameplay but yet not a single team plays those comps so how come its A-tier when not a single high rated team in the 3v3 ladder play it it just shows ack of your knowledge
“Sub is in a good spot.”
no said it wasn’t it was mentioned in the post, A tier implies its a good spec, we are talking about the fun part of playing the spec not how powerful it is, its just dull.
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Again, RMp is preferred and why play anything else when that’s the best comp for rogue but saying rogue isn’t really viable in other comps shows your lack of experience.
He said/implied it was only A/B tier in rmp which is wrong.,
Dull, yes it’s super boring and not fun. But bad if not in rmp is wrong.
why are you trolling? what do you get from it? what expereicne are you talking about it show me your current CR/EXP.
Also btw I can come up with a comp thats not viable and say its playable and it shows your lack of experience and yeah i still stand by my statment no one plays those 3 comps for areaosn because they are weak af thats why everyone plays RMP its prefered because its 10x stronger than Sub/boomy, I didnt see a single team playing dancing with stars
A tier implies its good enough and yes its good only in RMP not in anything else
What changes would you like to see in a perfect world that makes rogue more interesting?
When folks dont have to trinket a three second cheap and use all their defensive cds to just live, only to die 15seconds later when drs on stun wear off, rogues just lose their minds.
Pre nerf there was absolutely no to counter play to rogues, rogues killing folks in three seconds was a joke. Rogues are good still and can still one shot just fine.
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Yes rogue is boring. If you think your conduits and cov choices are boring you should see how stale DK stuff is.
Rogue is a pvp powerhouse spec tho deff disagree with people that think it’s weak
Not really sure how to make rogue more fun without making it broken? It’s a cross CC try to kill and run spec can’t really give it too much damage
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