State of fury warrior

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Hey all,

I have made some similar posts regarding class balancing. I made one about some weaker performing classes, as well as rogue specifically. Rogue is terrible right now but that’s for another thread I already made.

Let me start off here by saying I don’t want fury to be the best, but doing less than Aug evoker single target is absolutely terrible.

**fury warrior has seen nerf after nerf, and next patch, another nerf. the only thing we’re remotely good at is aoe, and we’re honestly not good at that, you would know if you did any mythic+ key at 8 or above, when mobs live longer than 19 seconds, fury warrior goes from 3-5 mil dps, to nothing really quick… **

The current raid has add spawn windows right around fury warriors burst window. As it stands, fury warrior can press avatar (for a %dmg increase), recklessness(crit chance buff), odyns fury(uncapped big aoe hit), followed by baldestorm(giga aoe). Every cd is on a 1:30 timer(odyns fury is 45 seconds), meaning, if you have a wave of adds to blow these cds on, you look good(as long as they have low hp) Coincidentally enough, rakashan/broodtwister/bloodbound horror/and queen ansurek all have add spawn windows that align with these cds. But most importantly, the adds have low hp.

You see, fury warriors have amazing upfront burst and look good for about 10 seconds after pressing there buttons, but if you look at the meter about 30 second after those buttons are pressed, they fury warrior will be dead last by a large margin. The raid however, has mobs spawning that basically get one shot by the fury, causing them to appear strong, when they’re not.

I can say all I want, but the data doesn’t lie… Let’s look at some data to see how fury is truly performing. I will utilize mythic difficulty unless logs aren’t available, in that case, I will use heroic.

First boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38
Toward the bottom, on an air fight, something we should excel at. But still; that’s okay; someone has to be at the bottom. Still, concerning considering we have been nerfed 3 times in a row; are seeing one more. Strange balancing if you ask me.

2nd boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2917

We look good here, again… boss has add windows that directly alighn with burst aoe cds.

3rd boss-pure single target
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2898

This is the core issue. We do less that Aug evoker in single target. If anyone knows anything about fury, you will understand our aoe rotation is to press whirlwind every four abilities, becuase whirlwind causes your next four abilities to do a percentage of the dmg to four surrounding targets.

How good can our aoe really be, if it’s based off of a percentage of our dogwater single target.

4th boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2918
Adds don’t count as dps on logs, and again, when you look at boss dmg, nothing does it worse(unless your a demo lock that has to move literally one step in the fight)

5th boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2919
Adds that die quickly during our burst window will always make us look good. But, let’s look at how much dmg we’re actually doing to the boss: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2919&metric=bossdps
Dogwater, like usual.

6th boss (pure st)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2920&metric=bossdps&difficulty=4

Here we don’t look too bad. However, this is due to all the movement that takes place during the fight, as you could imagine, anything below fury here is below it becuase it needs to stand still and cast a decent amount, or, just becuase it’s another spec that hasn’t gotten any intention that is performing poorly anyway.

7th boss(cleave fight)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2921&metric=bossdps&difficulty=4

Here you would think fury warriors would do well because you’re hitting multiple targets the entire fight… but nah, we’re worse than 75% of the classes/specs. Why are we seeing nerfs again?

Queen ansurek
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2922&difficulty=4

This fight makes us look like gods, an entire 30% higher than number two slot. Silken tomb spawns perfectly with our cds, uncapped aoe bugs going up the ramp in phase 2, and in phase 3, nice low health mobs for us to press our aoe burst into, leaving other classes no time to do any type of meaningful aoe dmg…

Again, how much dmg are we actually doing to the boss. How much are we actually contributing to the kill?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2922&difficulty=4&metric=bossdps

There isn’t is, almost dead last, I’m actually surprised we’re beating an Aug evoker in dmg.

Read here before you want to say “bro, rwf had fury warriors in it.” Yeah… it’s as if the entire raid was designed around fury warriors aoe burst window, it’s foolish not too. If these adds had double the hp, and other classes have any amount of time to do there own aoe, literally 0 reason to bring fury warrior outside or rallying cry.

Arms is good, I don’t care about arms, I care about fury, arms is absolutely fine the way it is. I don’t want to play arms, I want to play fury

TLDR; fury warrior is awful. If the raid didn’t have adds that died perfectly to odyns fury and blade storms burst, it would be painfully obvious how bad they suck. But when you dig into the data, a fool could see how terrible this class is. We didn’t need the first nerf to begin with, because by nerfing odyns fury and blade storm our st was also nerfed, and our st is the worst in the game. Fury warrior at its core needs an overhaul. Let me know what you guys think.

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Right now as a tank when forming my own keys, I look for fury warriors because of your ability to absolutely murder trash. Trash is what counts in mythic +, I cannot speak for raid which I don’t do. You guys are absolutely nearly untouchable when it comes to aoe right now. You cannot have both great single target and aoe, usually every class has some kind of drawback.

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You must be doing low keys… when a warrior has cds, it does good aoe, but by no means the best…. A fury warrior will not beat an equal ilvl anything else that’s melee in aoe, and absolutely not in single target.

Here’s class representation in high keys, you can see here, we are definitely not *untouchable * by no means. So were not the best in single in aoe, (which is on it’s fourth nerf) and were dead last single target…

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Well this is apparently a hill you are very willing to die on so there is no point in arguing further. The numbers you pull and what is happening in reality are two very different things. Spend time playing the game instead of dwelling on stuff like this.

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https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-1/all/world/leaderboards

Data shows fury warrior is being played, but it’s not doing the highest keys which means it’s not overpowered, which means it doesn’t need nerfed, even though it is.

I’m not interested in your experience, when I play the class with an 2300 raider IO, who else would know what dmg a fury warrior does when I directly compare overall data at the end of every mythic dungeon, what I am interested in is data…

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That’s just your damage profile, big AoE, bad ST just like boomkin.

Don’t need to write a whole essay on it.

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It’s not big aoe, it’s burst aoe, big aoe is frost dk.

I do, it’s awful and it needs addressed.

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Doing 7m dps every other pull is enough to carry your weight.

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You’re playing with gods, no one in the raid at any point is ever at that much aoe. And fury’s OF and BS is getting target capped to 5.

And at I’m 615 ilvl with 2300 mythicio, I’ve never came close to reaching numbers like that.

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I was talking about M+ specifically

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Not strange but deliberate - Here is a thing about Blizzard and wowlogs.

If Blizzard wants you to play Death knights like in wotlk , they will finish at the top .
If Blizzard doesn’t want you to play Gladiators Warrior in Wod , they will finish at the bottom
If Blizzard doesn’t want you to play Demonology warlocks , the will finish at the bottom
If Blizzard wants you to play Demon hunter…you see where its going

Blizzard never have used the site wow logs to balance stuff, as they already know what its going to be before we do . :rofl:

Now why in the hell do they do this I have no clue ,but I know for a fact its DELIBERATE not unintentional.

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And at I’m 615 ilvl with 2300 mythicio, I’ve never came close to reaching numbers like that.

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What’s your point? Btw you’re 2240 not 2300 and even if you were, it’s not that impressive.

Everything below +10 is free

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I just completed a grim batol 9 moving me to 2270, not that it matters, I’m not here to measure e-peens here. I’m no better than anyone else. I’m stating my io not to impress you, because your opinion of my skill is meaningless. I’m stating my io inform you I’m very knowledgeable of the state of dmg and how fury warrior does in mythic plus, I’m also 8/8 heroic, in raid… I know how this clsss performs in all facets of pve.

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It’s very unlikely to be addressed, given RWF is over and there was no class tuning announced for Tuesday, and if it is later, it’s not likely that any adjustments would put the spec where you think it should be, because by your own estimation, the spec is “terrible.” What designers care most about is that each class has at least a middle of the pack spec for damage, in the case where a class has more than one damage spec, it’s really only important that one spec does well in that regard, and Warriors currently have two very solid options.

Fury does good AoE damage, and lower, but sufficient single target damage, and honestly isn’t that far behind the middle, or bottom middle of the pack. And, of course you have Arms as an option, which does stellar single target, and very strong AoE. If I’m a designer at Blizzard, I under that you want your favorite spec to be the cream of the crop in all regards, but I also don’t touch the class because overall, Warriors are currently very strong in a variety of content.

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2300 isn’t very high, get off your high horse. Secondly, nobody is going to buff you to godmode every pull. You bring battleshout with good dps and aoe. You are one of those people where gear carried you to where you are at. Now that you hit a wall you are asking daddy blizzard for buffs. Get over it. You guys are doing more than fine on pulls. This sounds like a l2p issue.

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Agreed.

Anything doing less single target than Aug evoker is terrible. If a dps class is in the bottom 3, when comparing it to any other dps it is terrible.

This is all an opinion and has never been said by blizzard. Once they openly say that as long as one specialization Performs OK… Then screw the other classes… I will accept that. But I will not accept it when someone on the forum says it. That is the most ridiculous philosophy I’ve ever heard.

I don’t. I want it to beat the support class and single target. I don’t want my AOE to be completely dog water outside of the cool down window.

You must not have seen any of the data that I posted up above.

No, it’s not. It’s actually quite low. I never claimed that it was high. Nor do I care what you think about the number itself.

What? Are you trolling right now?

You must not have seen the eight logs I shared with undeniable data that we do not have good dps because we are dead last. Good DPS implies We are above middle of the pack. Anything below middle of the pack would be called bad DPS. Beings which we are dead last, that is called bad.

You act as if I woke up this morning and one in my class buff for no reason… I play it every day. I understand how it performs against other classes… I understand that at the highest level of play it cannot beat a support class.

???:skull::skull::skull::skull: gear carried me to what?? 2300 io, or 8/8 heroic. Neither one of those things are difficult nor require any amount of skill. do you think 615 is high, do the raid, do some mythics.

What an outlandish and ridiculous statement. Reported for trolling. What an inflammatory comment. You clearly have nothing to say to debate my stance on the current state of warrior is… It seems as if your only goal is to belittle or demean me.

So I post 10 pages worth of logs… Your rebuttal is to say no you’re fine… With no data or no evidence to counter my data that has warrior at dead last place in single target and getting beat out in aoe on some fights… Here I thought warrior was doing bad… But you say “no you’re doing fine”… that’s it. I thought it was one way but you say it’s another so that’s how it is. The data that I posted it must be wrong. The people that are clearing the hardest difficulty in the game must not know how to play.

I guess. I guess those rwf raiders just don’t know what they’re doing in those fights.

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FURY i can say without a doubt is trash now, literally wasted the first months of the launch gearing and getting my warrior already to literally be nerfed to dead last in the raid when the first couple of weeks we were top of the pack. and trust i know its nerfed bad when during a guild run where just a week ago i was top dps for like every pull went to literally last place barely beating the tanks now. literally about to re roll to enhancement shammy had a guildie showed up to heroic raids last night in blues and was top dps over the dh and warrior in the group who have 610 ilvl and they were 580s.

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Crazy you talk about rwf when every team brought multiple warriors for every boss. They must not be able to read logs like you can

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At the end of the ansurek kill they interviewed max, and he was going over the logs where he said they wish they had a warrior tank for CS. He was forcing his fury warriors to hold cds for ansurek adds where he would have been better off with two more rets or two more frost dks. You played yourself.

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