Started out strong

It will get 100x worse with boosts and buyable mounts so no one i spending anything. Nothing this company does is smart because they dont care about you-- they just want your money

I have a Master’s in Software Engineering, am a cofounder, and head of curriculum for a leading software development bootcamp, contribute to several open source libraries, and have helped develop complex distributed cloud systems.

But you’re right, nobody is an “expert.” And nobody would ever call themselves an “expert.” Because that would be absurd.

coding bootcamp

Okay - lol. You teach React and Vue and Node.

We’ve got an ‘expert’ here - amazing!

I’m surprised you know enough to be skeptical of this sort of stuff! I’m actually impressed by that. :slight_smile:

While we do actually teach React and Node at some points, using libraries and frameworks developed by others isn’t the focus of our program. We focus on core principles, and developing our own libraries. That’s one of our major differentiators actually!

Practically speaking though, for someone to career transition into software development, web-development in general is a great starting point, and React has some patterns that are very popular these days. So, it’s a good tool set for an aspiring developer to pick up.

Personally, I think the community needed to see no changes just to see how it would work out. Now, you don’t see very many people saying no changes cause we got something close to that and it didn’t work out like people thought it would.

That’s reasonable conjecture and most people I talked with think that’s likely what happened.

But let me add that, from my limited view of the game, not a single other person in my guild publicly said anything negative about the paid Boosts (aside from a single comment from me). And some people in my guild even provide Mage boost services on my server. Now I contrast that with how my guild reacted to the announcement of the $35 Clone; literally nobody on our discord publicly commented saying that $35 was a reasonable ask for that service. The disapproval there was universal.

I am not blind to the notion that World of Warcraft’s community has changed. I know that many of us value efficiency, convenience, and shortcuts to bypass what we see as tedious content. Many people will point fingers at Actiblizz for these issues without realizing that they only ever became prominent to begin with because of the players. That said, we can never be sure that people wouldn’t play the game the way it’s intended unless something were to be implemented that halted boosting entirely.

And I don’t even care that boosting exists in the game. I care that boosting exists in the form of selling and buying runs. To recall what I’ve said previously, having a guildmate boost your toon through dungeons is still, in my opinion, much more meaningful of an interaction than buying one from a stranger, because you’re still maintaining that social fabric and the game is still indirectly encouraging you to seek out those social fabrics (I.E. joining a guild and making friends). By joining a guild, you may find people around your level range that you want to play the game conventionally with. To me, Blizzard can do something about all of the people buying and selling runs while simultaneously keeping those who want to rush to the endgame satisfied. These are not necessarily discussions that are contradictory to one another.

Above all else, however, and this isn’t something that I’ve mentioned yet, but I find boosting utterly pointless. Classic is not retail. While the content you do at the endgame gets slightly harder, and the groups get bigger, the lines between leveling content and max level content is extremely blurred, especially when you get to the last remaining levels and begin gearing your character for max level content. This isn’t to say people can’t enjoy endgame over leveling, but those who are boosting to bypass all the tedium that comes with leveling will likely be disappointed to find out that there’s not really much different waiting for them at level 70.

You’re still grinding out quests. You’re still grinding out professions for money, and you’re still farming mobs for certain resources. Nothing fundamentally changes about the game. It’s still a slow, deliberate burn, except now you arguably have more grinds to pay attention to than just the number tied to your class.

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I like your posts. They’re detailed and thoughtful, and I agree with the sentiment (mostly) behind the opinions you’re expressing. But sadly, I think Negald probably has the right of it; there may not be enough players left interested in this experience to make it worthwhile for Blizzard to cater to us over the, what appears to be, significantly larger crowd who have no problem opening their wallets to buy Boosts and Mounts from the cash shop.

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I agree with this. I rarely buy anything from the cash shop. In fact i bought the deluxe edition in tbc and i have still not collecet the items from the inn. I just very recently wanted to race change for tbc. Why now? I have no idea. I guess as disapointed i was with how classic turned out made me decide to try something different. I have played the same race and class through mop. Bought the next few expansions but didnt play much. I still have all of the boosts available to be used. So there was no race change available so i used the boost instead.

Although i have never had a desire to buy amything from the cash shop, i am still one of those that dont mind it. I really dont care. And i have read a lot of posts in a lot of different threads from several different ppl that have explained why they think cash shops are bad. I have not heard or read one thing from anyone that has been able yo change my mind. I just cant get past that its all cosmetic so i just dont care. No argument about even cosmetix stuff has convinced me. I just dont get it. I mean everything. Like blizz is greedy. I say yeah, greed is the basis of a capitalist economy. So what. Nobody is forced to buy.

I think, for most people, it’s not so much the items themselves. It’s that they represent the first inroads to excessive monetization. Things like name changes, tokens, unlimited boosts, ect. And the boost is definitely not cosmetic. It allows you to skip a large part of the game. Now, it could be said that what I’m saying is a slippery slope fallacy, but we’ve already seen it play out in retail, so is it really fallacious?

So basically you wanted mages nerfed. You don’t play mage so you’re ok with that.

A mage carry is, literally, a single player game.

It resembles Diablo, frankly.

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You think you are being clever, but you’ve shown your hand. :stuck_out_tongue:

More or less the actual reason. Have a great day.

I agree with the OP when it comes to the gold farming. AoE grinding mages caused an early influx of gold. The ZF mafe farms (as well as stealth runs) once folks hit 60 blew things up even more. Both players and gold sellers were effectively able to print money. And they printed a lot.

Look up zelda, pretty good game, played it as a kid and no AOE farming in it. Runescape as well, unless u count bursting. Loads of good games out there that don’t let players aoe farm.

Good for them. They weren’t and still aren’t breaking any rules.

AoE grinding is effective. It should be effective- killing and looting is the basic idea behind wealth acquisition in game. If a player wants to spend their time doing that, all the power to them.

You mention ZF farm. There are no pathing exploits in that farm as I am aware, simply casting blizzard and running. The blizzard keeps the mobs too slow to hit you, and you kill them. All working as intended.

If your game experience is “ruined” because other players decided to farm in a way that isn’t breaking any rules… again, a single player game may be more your speed.

Myself, I accept the game rules, and that other players will do effective farms within those rules. I find it a waste of energy to be upset at others playing more efficiently than myself.

haha sucks for u who doesnt have a mage alt , aoe farming is still a thing now and will be in tbc

The layer-hopping behavior was exploitive, and Blizzard dealt with it. AoE farming isn’t possible with all classes. Reading the section of the EULA regarding cheating makes me scratch my head as to how some folks see this as not a problem.

Personally, I don’t really care unless the person doing it is deliberately tagging mobs I’m trying to kill myself.

Unless you run into problems and jump behind the urn to reset the mobs.

I’ve accepted most of these behaviors as something Blizzard doesn’t care to fix. The OP was addressing bots and money printing as issues. I can see where the person is coming from.

Correct. This is not a bug.

If you want to AoE farm, you are always able to roll a class that is capable of it.