Don’t just do surveys on “Why are you unsubbing from WoW?” Do actual surveys in game on several topics to see what people like.
The attempt to bring back old fans by making the current game similar to the past is annoying. Ya brought back all these old abilities and added more buttons to the action bar. It’s just more tedious work-- and yah, it becomes work over the course of some of the marathon fights in WoW.
Many games in this genre have a similar button rotation. And it’s very important to have a good flow. Have too many and you get worn out and annoyed, too little and you don’t feel much engaged. Gotta find that sweet spot for the average person.
The standard is usually:
3-5 damage buttons
2 or so big damage CDS
2 or so defenses
**2 or so utilities **
Then usually 1-2 things bound on a key.
That more than likely is what the bulk of all mmos use and the players prefer. How is that so? Many popular mmos use it to this day and will continue.
Is this new wow much different? 2-3 more things brought back may not seem like a big change but I think it will tire everyone. It doesn’t matter what is said, you will get tired and worn out faster with this than the previous version.
I’m pretty sure that’s not as fun as before but we’ll have to wait and see… Wait, never mind, scratch that. We won’t see as there’s no surveys on what you like in Wow
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Pretty sure they already do that.
I would love to see an npc in-game that is an official survey taker. Runs around on a very special mount. Stops random players and asks their opinion on the current state of Azeroth. Could even offer a small bit of gold or something as a reward for participating.
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The data and statistics they draw from player behavior does this on a daily basis without ever having to ask players directly. We just are not privy to that data.
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You have perfectly described the set-up for Beast Mastery Hunter. 
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That data tells part of the story but it doesn’t say what activities we’re doing because we like them and what ones are just being endured because we want the rewards. I really think they should do a mass survey once per expansion just to get a bit of a breakdown of what worked, what didn’t etc. Have it linked to the bnet launcher so each of us can fill it out once per expansion and give our thoughts on what we liked/hated etc.
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Exactly this.
Blizzard knows what we don’t. Just because you don’t like something, that doesn’t mean that the majority feels the same way.
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They do this. Select groups of players get surveys on select topics all the time.
From their perspective… that is irrelevant. Now, let me preface by saying I agree, and how something feels has as much value in a game as how it functions.
With that said, engagement by “force” and engagement by enjoyment is still engagement. People who don’t like something truly, just don’t do it.
In a way, if you ARE in fact doing things against your enjoyment, you kind of have only yourself to blame.
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fwiw, at least one systems designer has said that feel is a big concern for them.
They’ve had a funny way to show it though lol.
And devs with this attitude are why games get ran into the ground, they’re focused on their own data and how they can herd the player base around while being oblivious to the growing discontent. I truly believe that WoW is mostly surviving on a combination of the player base feeling like they’ve put in too much time to walk away and Blizzards accrued goodwill, i’d argue that they have almost no goodwill left now and all it’ll take is another WoD type expansion and this game will collapse.
So is this a complaint that classes have too many buttons?
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It’s about in-game surveys. The addition of more buttons is just the latest thing. I don’t need to include disclaimers about the obvious do I? But people can think it’s about whatever they want.
And to be specific, an actual in-game survey is better than any metric software. It shows what people would prefer to do or prefer to have… so on and so forth.
There is no debate about it. However, you don’t have it because the $ train continues without it, same reason certain aspects don’t get better. But that’s easy to understand.
Summary: you could have several different in-game surveys that are done within the mail system that will provide the company a very good picture of what people actually want.
(Obviously should be sent out to all players prior to an expansion launch).
This equals good.
Blizzard’s internal data can’t tell them how the players want the game to be designed. That has to be asked.
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Johnny Awesome would be perfect for that!
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It’s the setup for many mmos and the classes/specs within.
Why? Cause it’s the sweet spot.
I have never seen an in-game survey, and even if they did whisper to you or send an in-game mail, most people would assume it is spam and delete it.
I agree it would be better to post it on battlenet and ask people what they like and what they do not like. Make it totally official.