I find it sad actually that this game has degraded to this. There’s nothing good about it, there’s just… let’s say “currency” being exchanged.
People running those rackets are part of the overall problem with this game, or what’s left of it.
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Honestly Blizzard really should have added a more robust filtering system into the core game long ago. I understand they can’t block all such chat but at least allow us to filtering it out without having to resort to an addon.
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Yeah the last few responses in this thread make me sad to see what this game has turned into. Complete pay 2 win mess.
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It’s actually not pay-to-win. The power isn’t exclusively tied behind a pay-wall.
It’s more like pay to get past all the RNG in regards to loot. Most people that I know buying boosting services are usually those trying to get geared for end-game content.
If they have limited time due to IRL responsibilities - but have the skill to raid/M+/pvp at the high level, boosting services allows them to play on their team with decent power levels.
The key is that those power levels aren’t exclusively attainable through buying. Players that have the time to go through the loot casino rng gauntlet can still do so. But for those who have limited time and want to play end-game content, boosting is a simple option for making that happen.
If people are swiping their credit cards for gold sold by Blizzard to buy boosts it is 100% pay 2 win.
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OK, so I remember a statement from blizzard on why they don’t autoban those spammers.
The accounts that spam advertisement are generally stolen accounts. Banning them just means the spammer will hop to a next account to continue.
Banning IPs dont work either cause that’s so easily bypassed nowadays.
Instead, they gather information while the person spams, how they do it, how they get the accounts ect ect. Also while trying to find the original owner.
Then after a while they just mass delete/block the paths and exploits used by these scammers and return accounts to their owners.
That’s not pay to win. That’s more like pay to get powered up fast.
You can still get all the same gear and power without spending a single dime. The fact that this is possible makes it not pay to win because the exclusive access to that power level isn’t behind a pay wall.
You can certainly still dislike that there’s an option for someone to bypass the loot rng casino in place - but that’s pay-to-save-time or pay-to-notdealwithRNG or any other way you want to see it.
So all players have avenues towards getting max power and outside of the world first race, there really isn’t anything players are “winning” with their money. They’re just playing the game and paying for some optional conveniences.
Yeah it is starting to become problematic and interfere with my immersion.
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You can hide trade chat if you don’t want to see ads for goods and services.
Indeed.
We are in some dark times.
Yeah I had to turn off whispers too. Thanks for the suggestion.
I have to wonder though, if I pay to “bypass the RNG gods” just so I can raid/M+, what’s left in the game. Next time I raid or M+ and dont get the loot I want, I’m pissed cause the RNG gods cant be passed. “Damn vault needs to be fixed!”
There has to be something about PLAYING the game and realizing that I wont “win” every time.
If I can get BiS just buy paying for a carry, that is pay to win. Winning in WoW isnt defined by beating the game, its defined by the player
Some ppl gauge winning by achievements, some by mounts, some even by xmogs. And lets not forget out pvp buddies.
I can even pay to be carried in BGs too. How many posts on ppl upset over unbalance in there?
Oh, I see carries being sold for mounts too.
When does it stop?
Yeah - play the game, kill bosses, get good parses, all without having to worry about blind luck for loot. It’s great. It lets you actually focus on the skill and gameplay part of the game.
No, it isn’t. EXCLUSIVE access to BiS by paying is pay-to-win. If it’s optional and any player can get that gear without paying money for it, it’s not pay-to-win. Like many people have said, it’s something else. You may still not like it, which is fair - you’re entitled to your opinion, but what you’re not liking isn’t “pay-to-win”.
When you focus on the actual game - when you focus on staying alive for the boss fights and focus on continuing to improve your performance mechanically and rotationally.
Nice another make believe definition created by a booster. If you can spend IRL cash for power it is pay 2 win.
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It’s literally how pay-to-win started. EA was king of this, and they coupled it with RNG.
You had to buy packs/loot-boxes in order to roll for the best gear the games offered. There was no other way to get that kind of power - THAT is pay-to-win.
Paying to avoid RNG is a completely different thing. You may not like it, but that doesn’t make the 2 equal.
I’m also not supporting the use of either - I’m just clarifying for you the difference between them.
This is one of the big issues in the game now… players who defend us getting bad customer service and the real money boost services and gold sellers.
I’m not defending either. Customer service is crap and a complete joke. Boosting services objectively belong in trade chat. Gold selling for real money is against ToS.
Boosting services aren’t what’s wrong with the game.
Time sinks, punishing and limiting systems, luck based gear systems, and disrespect for player time is what’s wrong with the game.
As you said, people leave for multiple reasons. Watching some bad player cough up gold (cash) for gear and titles while a raider does the hard yards would be one of those reasons.
I have to say though, watching people here defend this crap makes me feel good about my departure in a few weeks.
Never bothered me. It doesn’t take away from my mythic kill achievements, my pvp rating, and/or my parses.
Getting boosted for gear means nothing. Any joe schmo can buy a fancy sports car - what matters is if they can drive the thing.
Personally I’m not defending it - I’m just calling what the actual issues in the game. The existence of an express lane for gear just isn’t a part of how punishing the game feels for many players.
Not so sure about that. Look how many threads and comments there are about pay to win. That’s what you are supporting here.