Has anyone else tried this?
I know Crit and Haste seem to be tied for our main focuses in secondaries, but I always see people stacking Haste as much as possible in gems and enchants. I guess this is because Haste is inherently harder to stack than Crit?
I recently tried swapping all my focus to Crit with gems and enchants and I'm unsure if it's having a negative (or positive) effect on what I'm doing. I need to sim it out a bit before I know for sure. I'm able to get my base Crit % (without any Azerite or Deadly Navigation procs) with 10 Reorigination Array stacks in Uldir to about 35%, and it definitely is peaking closer to 43-45% mid-fight with all procs lined up.
Has anyone else tried this? Am I wasting my time trying this?
Sim yourself comparing crit and haste gems and weapon/ring enchants. I didn’t try to stack crit but I just happened to end up with like 21% crit and only 12% haste. Even with my haste that low, crit sims higher for me.
I won’t argue that crit is ‘better’ but the numbers are for sure there. I have a set of gear that gives me a healthy balance of haste and crit but my crit heavy build still provides more dps. If it was neck and neck I would go with the haste one just for the sake of fluidity, but I’m in the same boat as you with the reorigination stacks. I get to around 36-38% in uldir and hover around 55-60% during fights with x2 CoI
I won’t argue that crit is ‘better’ but the numbers are for sure there. I have a set of gear that gives me a healthy balance of haste and crit but my crit heavy build still provides more dps. If it was neck and neck I would go with the haste one just for the sake of fluidity, but I’m in the same boat as you with the reorigination stacks. I get to around 36-38% in uldir and hover around 55-60% during fights with x2 CoI
Disclaimer - I aim for crit as it is.
I ran a sim a while back where I swapped haste and crit on all of my gear (eg. if a piece had 200 crit and 100 haste I flipped em around, if it had only crit I swapped it to haste, etc). Basically stacking "fictional" gear.
The results were roughly the same as if I were still in my normal gear, it's just the sources of that damage changed.
I've been wanting to run it again though so I'll get back to you.
I ran a sim a while back where I swapped haste and crit on all of my gear (eg. if a piece had 200 crit and 100 haste I flipped em around, if it had only crit I swapped it to haste, etc). Basically stacking "fictional" gear.
The results were roughly the same as if I were still in my normal gear, it's just the sources of that damage changed.
I've been wanting to run it again though so I'll get back to you.
I dont get it, bis stats are haste and crit so rather then "instead" you should be stacking both anyways.
He means as the priority over haste.
EG instead of 1200 haste 800 crit, 1200 crit and 800 haste.
To the OP: Here is a sim of myself for you to glance at. 4 sets -
My raid setup as-is
My Dungeon setup as-is
and pair of hypotheticals
I didn't have time to research all of the items but the idea is there.
No buffs of any kind (including reorigination stacks): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyJJ9p24D3jqisgSTiLfAN
All the buffs (no reorigination):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLTkuTKVSQBPq7SEGiPXqU
All the buffs (with reorigination):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tiVJz4s53najksNfcP3ufC
The practical upshot is that the hypotheticals are always within less than 12 dps of one another - effectively "Order of stats" matters less than "Which stats" you have.
EG instead of 1200 haste 800 crit, 1200 crit and 800 haste.
To the OP: Here is a sim of myself for you to glance at. 4 sets -
My raid setup as-is
My Dungeon setup as-is
and pair of hypotheticals
I didn't have time to research all of the items but the idea is there.
No buffs of any kind (including reorigination stacks): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyJJ9p24D3jqisgSTiLfAN
All the buffs (no reorigination):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLTkuTKVSQBPq7SEGiPXqU
All the buffs (with reorigination):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tiVJz4s53najksNfcP3ufC
The practical upshot is that the hypotheticals are always within less than 12 dps of one another - effectively "Order of stats" matters less than "Which stats" you have.
11/08/2018 06:43 AMPosted by LatsyThe practical upshot is that the hypotheticals are always within less than 12 dps of one another - effectively "Order of stats" matters less than "Which stats" you have.
Wel to be fair you are mostly fine just trying to chase haste/crit gear regardless of priority just for the simple fact that getting a full set of haste/crit gear alone is difficult especially when you factor in ilvls.
I suppose if you ever reach that point where you ar choosing between 2 pieces of the same ilvl that has both haste and crit on it then maybe but even in the last xpac on my afflock raiding at the highest level i never saw it.
Haste and crit flip importance based on the number of targets and talent selection. But either way the difference is only about .5%. I have 12% or so haste and 25% or so crit and the play style doesn't suffer much for it so it's fine.
11/08/2018 01:36 PMPosted by NorezfouHaste and crit flip importance based on the number of targets and talent selection. But either way the difference is only about .5%. I have 12% or so haste and 25% or so crit and the play style doesn't suffer much for it so it's fine.
Pretty much this. I had my haste neck and neck with crit in uldir last night with crit edging it out, so reorigination stacks gave me a ton of crit. I swapped out one piece of gear after I got an upgrade and haste became my stacked stat. Within 30s of the first pull afterwards I said “omg this feels so much better”
Haste just makes the spec feel smoother imo but the numbers were relatively unchanged. When I simmed myself my dps with deadly nav, all crit enchants and gems I was within .1% of if I was quick nav and all haste gems/enchants