[SPOILERS] The Implications of Dreadlord New Lore

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If you didn’t see this, it’s a new Shadowlands thing that reveals that the Nathrezim were created by a Sire strongly implied to be Sire Denathrius to infiltrate and/or manipulate all the other cosmic forces.

Which basically means they are not, by default, Demons. The Dreadlords that did consume the Fel became Demons, but by origin Dreadlords are beings of Death.

The problem is that this has huge implications over the mechanics of death for magic creatures.

Argus the Unmaker was called the Death Titan, will he have any influence on the Shadowlands and do Demons go to the Shadowlands or are they on a different cosmic level?

Demons are born of the Twisting Nether; normally, a demon killed on Azeroth or otherwise outside of its home realm will go back to the Twisting Nether, eventually coalesce, and come back. Sargeras tried to shortcut that process by using Argus as a resurrection engine to speed up that process. That same principle applies to other creatures of various realms (Shadow, Light, Fire, etc). The Shadowlands is specifically for mortal beings to go through the process of Death.

So the Burning Legion still goes back to the Twisting Nether, unless they’re killed there, at which point they experience kind of a “true death”. Even then however, the energy that makes up those creatures remains. For example, if a Steward named Joe running around Bastion is crushed to death, Joe is gone, because he died within his home realm, but that energy remains - eventually a new Steward, Jane, will pop up to take Joe’s place.

Sauce:

Beings of Death go to the Shadowlands when they off-realm. If they die in the Shadowlands, they die for real.

Demons go to the Nether if they die off-realm. If they die in the Nether, they die for real.

Now what about Demon Dreadlords?

So far, when Dreadlords were killed they returned to the Twisting Nether. But what if they die in the Nether? Do they cease to exist like regular Demons?

Or do they fall back to their original Realm and go to the Shadowlands?

If that’s possible, Dreadlords might be a tad… unkillable. If you kill them in the Nether, they go to the Shadowlands, and if you kill them in the Shadowlands, they go to the Nether.

An endless game of ghost ping-pong!

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I read the book and I’m still not entirely convinced it’s about dreadlords

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It is. It starts with a Sire, which is obviously DeNATHRius, from castle NATHRia.

Then they go about how they can distract the Titans and fracture the Pantheon (which was Dreadlords).

Then about how the Void Lords like them, which is how they got to Sargeras (he captured Dreadlords in a Void-dominated planet).

Then they talk about how they could infiltrate the Light by giving them a “converted” agent. Which is a reference to Holy Dreadlord Lothraxion.

Then they say they consumed the Fel to infiltrate the force of Disorder (AKA the Twisting Nether).

It’s 100% about Dreadlords.

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Didn’t they make a point about Dreadlords always managing to return?

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Originally that was a Dreadlord thing in WC3.

But in tBC they made it an “all Demons” thing. Demons when killed off the Nether return in a new body after a while.

But if things work the way I think they do, that means even killing a Dreadlord in the Nether wouldn’t stop it.

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Indeed. It would be interesting to reassert that quality of the race.

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Another thread on this matter?
#Ogre the moon

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That book is rubbish. Not one picture to color in.

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this one is a tad different.

It’s about… How does it work if a killed magical creature has two home-realms instead of only one?

Can they bounce from one home realm to the other and survive pretty much anything?

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I’d venture to guess that Fel corruption overrides all others and they go off of the demon rules. (For those who consumed Fel) Seems like it would make it a bit obvious to the rest of the legion if they didn’t follow the same course. (Also I’m guessing that’s why Varimathras ended up tortured on Argus)

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I guess :stuck_out_tongue:

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So what about undead? If the forsaken die or Death Knights die in shadowlands should they permanently die “NPC” wise not "PC"wise.

And what if like Genn dies does he just get out of his body as a ghost and now become a shadowlands denizen and can leave Shadowlands go to let’s say Argus kill some demons die and just teleport back to the shadowlands and leave?.. Wait is that what Sylvanas means by set us free? Did I just figure out her end goal was giving everyone immortality. Ugh I hope not.

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Two? the dread lord only to back to the twisting nether to come back. Do they have two worlds?

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Shadowlands is just the armageddon of lore… time to rewrite the book.

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They were originally Shadowlands creatures.

By consuming the Fel they became Demons.

But they still serve their Sire from the Shadowlands. They were infiltrated in the Legion (and in the Army of Light, in Lothraxion’s case), but their endgame is their Shadowlands master.

So there are two possibilities:

Either their Demon conversion overwrites their original magic realm with a new magic realm.

Or they got two magic realms now.

And if they got two realms, they may be unkillable by bouncing between the two realms whenever they die in one of them.

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If this means we get Varimathras back, I’m all for it.

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No one is immortal seeing how Fel can apparently destroy the soul.

Fel is fueled by drawing life from living beings and consuming their souls, utterly destroying them in the process.

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Gee,I just reviewed the game lore by nobble last night and there wasn’t any mention of them from the sl,yet somehow they did menage to get there some how. As for fel magic being consumed that was done else where and not sl.

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It’s not stated souls are destoryed.

Yes they use souls as energy but after they use that soul for power for all we know it could be sent back to shadowlands.

Otherwise all demons should be instantly permanently dead when they die as they are the ones most consumed by fel.