SPOILERS: Model of Frostmourne's Smith

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Listed as the Rune Smith. At Blizzcon they stated we’d meet the Runesmith in the Maw who forged Frostmourne and the Armor of the Damned.

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Thought kil Jaden made it?

Couldn’t have. Ion strongly pressed that going to the Maw is a One Way Ticket. You do not leave. You do not return. It’s why Sylvanas is so special currently. She was stated, at Blizzcon, to be the only one who has left.

He also stated it was made in the Maw.

Retconned

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If memory serves, the original story was that the Legion, I think Nathrezim specifically, forged the blade and empowered it to steal souls - the Lich King being a pawn in the Legion’s grand scheme.

However, this was retconned, and now Frostmourne’s existence solely belongs to the death domain.

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hope to craft some nasty badass rune blades with him.

Also hope the chainquest to reforge frostmourne as appearance for frost DKs also come to happem.

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Wow he’s… not what I expected in the slightest.

Really cool helmet thing he’s got going on though.

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i bet he forge his own helm

If they hadn’t said this guy forged Frostmourne, I would’ve thought this was Arthas. The facemask seems too important to be a happenstance thing.

Which then brings up the question, how did it get out, and how did the demons get ahold of it. Its almost like they just retconned it because they needed something to tie to the shadowlands, or else the helm being shattered does nothing. Frostmourne being shattered did nothing and it had a link to the Shadowlands.

Retcons just make a mess out of a story.

They said people can’t leave the Shadowlands. They didn’t say that items couldn’t. :man_shrugging:

That only brings up more questions, why not? If an item is of the shadowlands, and people are of the shadowlands, whats the difference? Both should be made from the same stuff, so if an item can get out, which means someone got it out by some means, then why couldnt a person do the same?

Retcons arent good writing. Its viewed as an author to eat its cake and have it too. Retroactive continuity, a literary devide in which established facts in a fictional work are adjusted, ignored, or contradicted by a subsequently published work that breaks continuity with the former. They are story breaking by definition. Many people look at it as a sign of a bad writer or writers.

An item doesn’t have a soul. An item wasn’t born. an item wasn’t condemned by the arbiter and bound into the maw with the impossibility of escape. There are plenty of answers.

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In this case, I have no problem with Frostmourne being retconned to disassociate it with the Legion and make it solely a death domain item. The death domain established by the Lich King was simply too grandeur on its own to be nothing more than a side gig of demons, which represent nothing but felfire. Even knowing the original storyline, I never correlated Frostmourne with demons. Demons just never fit the Death and Icy Wastes theme established in Wrath. To me, this retcon actually turned the story into what it should have been in the first place.

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they were never supposed to. the scourge was supposed to be a tool of the legion to weaken azeroth to the point that the demons could just sweep through azeroth and finish off any stragglers once a sufficient portal was created. they didnt expect the lich king to go with his own plans though and the scourge became its own entity seperate from the legion.

I mega agree with you. Ever since the cosmology and Death becoming its own thing, Frostmourne, the Armor of the Damned, the Lich King, and the Scourge ultimately needed to be their own power source. Especially after the Lich King canonically became a god (per the first issue of Blizzard’s magazine.)

Death being its own thing is super cool, IMO.

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So the burning legion didnt make the scourge now? How does warcraft 3 make any sense now?

I didn’t say they didn’t make the Scourge. Just that the power source that they used to make it was not fel magic.

Hmm if I recall in the war of the ancients book Rhonin or Krasus sees some dreadlords raising dead night elf’s to fight and makes mention of the death magic being a precursor to what they will use to form the scourge in the future.

From what I remember frostmourne was made from ice in the twisting nether and imbued with that magic. So it probably isnt a retcon.

The Runesmith made Frostmourne. The Runesmith is in the Maw. They stated Frostmourne was made on the Forge of Damnation in the Maw. People cannot leave the Maw.

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