You’re not counting the world quests where they were the character giving the commands to take care of business, are you? Or all the content where they were still central to the story.
If you count up all the time either of their faces were present for both factions on an allied sense it amounts to more than what Thrall was allowed to have through all of Cata.
And we’re talking gameplay here, not books.
Because world quest didn’t exist in cata.
So what? Content is still content.
Oh, and I forgot Velen. Pretty much all through Legion Horde were helping him out in some way too. They even got to go into Exodar during a questline. Imagine that.
Can we at least agree that total Alliance contribution to neutral game content far outweigh’s Horde contribution?
Thassarian and Koltira were not neutral in Cataclysm and retained their position within the Ebon Blade.
Let’s be honest with ourselves for a moment.
Assuming at the end of Shadowlands Bolvar is once more Master of the Scourge, or has progressed to some other incredibly powerful individual, and assuming he continues to profess loyalty to Anduin and the Alliance, what does that actually mean going forward?
Jack squat.
Despite apparently being sworn to Anduin, did he lift a finger to help out with the recent war? The power of the Scourge at his command. The Horde would’ve been forced to surrender. Sylvanas’ mad push to kill as many people as possible would grind to a screeching halt because the other leaders of the Horde would never accept fighting both the Alliance and Scourge at the same time; it’d be the end of the Horde.
So, yeah. Bolvar being Alliance means nothing, just like the crazy powerful characters in the Alliance mean nothing, because none of these Demi-God tier characters are ever going to flex on the Horde in an actual war.
Bolvar is Alliance. Whoopdy-do! Just throw him on the pile of other OP characters/weapons that’ll never get used and let’s move on.
Guys, green Jesus is literally the biggest most developed character in the horde, and is almost the only one left
Alliance not only got turalyon and valeera, we need to also count velen, jaina (she took over BFA), khadgar
And to crown it all off, saurfang had to be convinced by anduin to leave prison and to stop being a sad sack and get his shi.t together before sieging orgrimmar
The horde is nothing, it was grinded into dust, starved of characters
The alliance got set up for what they are going to face in the future, deal with tyrande and keep the horde as an quasi vassal state
Also, thrall is now a shadow of who he used to be, he doesn’t want to lead the horde, FFS the guy just want to retire, he deserves that
And right now he doesn’t even have the doomhammer or his old control over the elements, he could rival jaina until mist, after that? He got nerfed and she only have grown in power
Before Sl bolvar had to remain discreet, not only he would be in danger if more people knew about he being the holder of the helm, and people on both factions would want he killed for the simple fact that he still exists as the lich king
He couldn’t act and use the scourge, the alliance itself would be against that
Now he no longer is the lich king, he is another big character that is aligned with the alliance
And koltira betrayed the horde, their representative in the ebon blade betrayed them and was going to give andorhal to thassarian if sylvanas didn’t sent the player character to take charge
True, it wasn’t like he was blind to what was going on. This was true even in Cataclysm when Death Knights were joining sides. Bolvar sat out of it.
yeah the actual players dont care
This is why powerlevels complaining is literally the dumbest thing on this forum, it literally effects nobody because it never comes to play in the story, this man is 100% right. All it is is a bunch of dudes upset that they can’t say there faction is more powerful than this faction, cause of ect ect, like it even matters.
Exactly power levels have never mattered in WoW. Look at what happened with malfurion, the guy is the most powerful mortal on the planet but was one shot by an orc that was out of his prime. or that nathanos took on not only night warrior tyrande but the allaince pc and was winning until malfurion saved them.
it is clear that blizz never cared about power levels, and never will.
Why argue about anything if it “literally doesn’t affect the story”?
You always go back to the default “who cares” whenever you face a position that doesn’t suit you.
There’s really no point when you just go back to “who cares the devs do whatever they want”
Because you ignore biases (conscious or unconscious), portrayal, immersion and other factors that all very much do impact the gameplay experience. You just stilt-walk over them going “nothing matters” then why bother posting on these forums?
I it literally doesnt matter, your defending people who are upset, that they cant say the horde is stronger than the alliance lol, I mean if you want to be that High school about that sort of stuff be my guest
I have empathy with horde players in this cause, cause its our powerful characters that get egg on there face when its time for the horde to kick the alliance
Tell me what they’re wrong about.
power means nothing like the lady above us side, the most powerful mortal was beat by a old orc
Your literally playing the race that is used to show that power means nothing dude, get off your high horse
Ok, but does that mean being depicted as atleast somewhat powerful shouldn’t matter to the players?
I literally cringe at tauren when I open the character selection screen because they are portrayed as super weak and ultimately useless when they used to be represented by people like Cairne.
I would enjoy playing a tauren more if they had atleast some characters that weren’t depicted as weak and passive besides traitor Magatha.
I mean, this is just one example but I’m sure there are several others. How do you know it doesn’t matter to players even if it doesn’t affect story? Because it affects portrayal, immersion and identity.
Also, wouldn’t the story make more sense if there were characters in the Horde on par with the Alliance rather than “random rogues killed all of Ashenvale” or “catapults destroyed world tree”?
The horde story is literally overcoming the alliance power, because the alliance is dumb or something lol Clearly you arent a real nelf player HAH
Yeah, but that plot doesn’t make sense. It would make more sense if there were characters who could stand up to the Alliance or even internal traitors like Sylvanas or Garrosh.
Rather than “this generic army stomped the Alliance even though they shouldn’t be able to because the Alliance acted dumb”
Oh so powerlevels should matter then? I’d totally argue that point with you, but thats not what this topic is about, its about people who think powerlevels matter right now when they dont being upset that the alliance got a new power character when they didnt
You can say that you don’t care and just stop posting
If you do care and understand that it does matter to other players and also the story, try to at least get used to “for the sake of argument”
If the story is supposed to be good (and we want to be good and make sense) it does matter
The horde can’t really undercome anything if every time we get a chance to compete with the alliance we either lose the warchief or they betray the horde
And until cata the two sides were equal in power, since then it stopped being the case for the sake of the horde being the punching bag
Looks at all the expacs of the horde overcoming everything
Wat
Why do you continually ignore the fact that Malfurion had already been fighting Sylvanas before getting the axe from Saurfang?
Yeah, it’s not like the Night Elves didn’t stall the entirety of the Horde military with a force of town guards and a bunch of civilians during the WoT…
… oh wait.
