*spoilers* - Including genocide in your story and refusing to properly address it is disgusting Blizzard!

we’re not exactly sitting pretty either or we’d just contract every sellsword to kill you all…

There are plenty of Neutral factions getting on the action: see allied races. Have you… not been playing the past two years or…?

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It would be near if we could buy lucrative treasure missions with them, rather than it just being once weekly from island expeditions. 5k gold or 3k AP sounds like a good deal for it.

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The Horde sure has problems, and it can’t all be blamed on Sylvanas. Even after the genocide, most of the Horde supported her. If she hadn’t ditched the Horde, many more would still be supporting her monstrous reign.

I have a hard time playing Horde these days because of the genocide and the rest of the unjust war the Horde started.

Talk about people with short memory. Just a little while ago they kicked Garrosh out.

I wonder if the blood elves felt odd, serving an undead monster who just wrecked an Elven Kingdom. Apart of a faction that was acting suspiciously like the old Horde/Scourge that ravaged the world before.

The Horde is going to have to work very hard if there is ever a positive future between them and the Alliance. But knowing Blizzard, this probably will not be the last time of the evil horde getting the spotlight.

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Sounds good

Allied races that are now, well, allied with a side. That makes them no longer neutral.

The only reason the Blood Elves followed Sylvanas isn’t because of faction loyalty (We had peace talks in MoP about rejoining the alliance), but because of loyalty to Sylvanas, who is a war hero of the Blood Elves. BfA really showed us how she had changed and could no longer be respected or followed.

Also, Blood Elves are Highborne who were exiled. The ones who remained became Night Elves. The bad blood is deserved.

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It was a huge butt pull and terrible writing for her to just dismiss the Horde. Like even if she thought that way with her supporters, she’s not stupid enough to say that…

That was literally just done to separate her from the Horde without any actual thought or intelligent story writing.

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The “For the Horde” yell she gives in the Battle for Lorderon cinematic was bone chilling and full of passion. That Sylvanas loved the Horde.

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So you can literally say the for ANY neutral faction. It directly contradicts your point…

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Neutral factions want to remain neutral. Allied races don’t. You’re missing the point.

It is still so surprising that within the Horde only Sarafang was shown to have problems with the genocide after it happened.

Realistically speaking the Horde rebellion should have started there. With some breaking away from Sylvanas.

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Did we agree on something? I actually agree Pinch me.

So explain the difference? If a Neutral Faction that becomes allied out of necessity doesn’t want to remain neutral than what do they want?

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Neutral factions don’t need to ally themselves because they are self sustaining/wouldn’t give them any benefits. They don’t care about the faction war.

All the allied races we have receive benefits from being part of the faction. It isn’t economic loyalty that ties the ARs. It’s faction loyalty

Point is the only thing that differentiates them is whether they swapped or not.

Then the blood elves were being idiots. When your “hero” pulls an Arthas upon a civilization and is clearly taking your faction down a dark path. A path your faction had previously taken itself off with the Garrosh debacle. They should have ditched Sylvanas Horde and sued for peace with the Alliance (not saying they should have joined the Alliance) .

I believe that the War of Thorns is when Lor’themar decided to turn his back against Sylvanas.

Yes of course it took time cus clearly she was ok with killing anyone who opposed her and with Nathanos and her forsaken army with her all the time think anyone is just gonna jump her right then and there you need to wait until the right moment to strike like Vol’jin did to dethrone Garrosh

A neutral race isn’t going to trade because they want to stay out of the faction conflict. An allied race of the opposing faction won’t want to trade because of faction loyalty.

Ergo, the gold is useless because they have no one to trade it to. They invaded Ashenvale for resources and mined Silithua for Azerite. The Horde didn’t rob a bank.

But Lor’themars views of turning on Sylvanas are not the majority of his peoples views after the events of the war of thorns.

For a while we still had plenty of blood elves fighting for a genocidal horde.