Well, I can’t say that’s wrong. Personally, I never was much of a fan of Tyrande, so I don’t really care all that much that she’s upset with the Horde PC. Tyrande always seemed antagonistic to people who aren’t her allies anyway.
I agree with you on all that. Voss developed somewhere between Cata and BfA to seemingly accept being undead and that’s fine. I just wish I had gotten to see it.
I like Anduin too. What I don’t like is that as a primarily Horde player, is that I like him when I feel like I’m not supposed to like him. I think. I feel like my opinion of him is suppose to change every expansion since MoP.
You know, I didn’t even really notice her in the cinematic the first time I watched. Was weird to seeing everyone make a big fuss about some “banner” lady and trying to figure out what they were talking about.
I wish I could say I feel the same way, but every time he shows up I just think what if he was Cairne instead.
You know, Jaina’s alright. And I say that despite being a big fan of Blood Elves and firmly against the Purge of Dalaran. I think all things considered the broad strokes of her characterization make sense, I’m just irritated because she doesn’t seem to consider any of what I think are her mistakes, as mistakes.
I mean, she saw the Horde PC literally leading the War of Thorns invasion alongside Sylvanas and Saurfang. In a world of pure logic with zero emotion, she might be able to weigh the pros and cons of the Horde PC’s life and decide that saving the world > invading her nation and killing her people. But that’s not the world that she, or any of us, live in.
To use a real life example, if a respected war hero from another country came into my town and slaughtered my friends and neighbors, I wouldn’t give a single damn about any of their past heroic accomplishments. If I ever saw them again you’d better believe I’d have nothing but hate for them.
Zappyboi himself isn’t all that exciting tbh. Though it is nice to have a younger face get created, a Darkspear, and an Elemental Shammy no less. Its amazing how few of those we have. However … the response to Zappyboi as well as the generally positive response to Zandalar as a questing experience did have a clear effect on how Blizzard writes Trolls. I genuinely think that the positive feedback for both these things have made the Blizz writing team more comfortable with consistant positive portrayals of that race. And had Zappy not gotten the response that he did … I would have very little doubt that Bwon would have been villain batted.
That is more than I can say for most Horde races. I do hope that Blizz brings someone like Thura out to give her some attention for the Orcs to get a similar phenomena. Voss could concievably be built into something similar for the Forsaken (she’s what? Like 24-26 now? Its weird to think that she was 16 years old (at least mentally) as of Cataclysm).
We also saved her life, her husbands’ life, the temple of her patron diety, and the emerald dream, so maybe she should have a bit of forgiveness for the horde PC that was waging a war that was explicitly trying to limit civillian casualites, which is something the Alliance has never done.
I was writing up a serious reply, but then I decided not to. The victim blaming is just too gross. “Yeah, we invaded your land, wiped out your people, and made the survivors refugees in a foreign land. But you really should be more forgiving because we could’ve been even worse”.
This.
It’s easy to say Zekhan came out of nowhere and lacks personality or whatever when you’re an elf or human fan who can draw from a big roster of established characters.
But trolls just- don’t have that. Our greatest heroes ( Vol’jin, Rastakhan, Zul’jin ) are dead, and most of our other characters are underused and underdevelopped.
Heck, we don’t even know anything about the personal life of our current chieftain. Let alone that he had a unique model.
With that in mind, all we do get is welcome and celebrated. Certainly no “empty hype” from troll fans’ pov.
Besides, Zekhan is a new character and his story has just begun. Everyone has to start somewhere, and his debut was far from the worst. I don’t think it’s fair to write him off from the outset.
Shadows Rising did worse for him than any in-game stuff. It’s a shock to hear troll stuff in Shadows of the Horde just for Shadows Rising to turn them into a bunch of wimps. Zekhan is especially bad and the way they have Talanji fawn over him is gross.
I felt that Zekhan’s introduction in-game was weird and out of place and kinda put me off the character. I have no idea why he was in Redridge Mountains of all places and somehow already knew where to find you as well as him having already met up with Saurfang shortly after he was let out of prison. Like what?
Your opinion, fair. I have a different one. I’m not happy with everything in Shadows Rising either, but Zekhan’s portrayal isn’t one of it. And in fact, Talanji doesn’t fawn over him, if anything he’s fawning over her.
The book has them acting like bit parts from Dawsons Creek, meanwhile Vol’jin was so hard he didn’t even want to acknowledge sleeping on a cot is better than sleeping on stone because it would make him “less troll”. The way they’re changing trolls was really the biggest sin of the book.
Uh okay, Vol’jin is a battle-hardened soldier though, Zekhan is a youngster who hadn’t seen battle before bfa. But I really don’t see how and where he was portrayed as soft or “non-troll” in the book.
The only gripe I had with his character was the focus on his relationship to Saurfang as his substitute dad. But now he has the chance to develop closer ties to his fellow Darkspear and grow into a character in his own merit.
Although come to think of it, Baine’s character idea is one that I SHOULD absolutely love: big monster man who’s actually a softie on the inside. But because of the way he’s used, seeing him just irritates me. I don’t really care if it’s not the character’s fault; those negative associations aren’t going to go away. But I kinda feel that way about everyone horde-side who showed up in the faction war content now, meh.
