“dat is a real shame. been wanting a warchief’s spirit for a long time.”
i found this interesting. bwonsamdi seems to be capable of claiming sylvanas’ soul even though she’s bound for hell. was wondering what people here would think. a lot of people think all undead are damned, but it seems death gods can claim their souls regardless.
so if bwonsamdi is right, (and he’s been at this a pretty long time. i think he knows what he’s doing) then being undead doesn’t necessarily damn you.
is this news to anybody else? it was news to me.
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Bwomsamdi has numerous ways of laying claim to souls - anyone his followers kill apparently belong to him, for instance.
And the fact that we have a damn cosmology chart and people still talk about “hell” is hilarious to me.
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I believe in bts one of the undead went to a peaceful afterlife
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Now I can’t help think that if Vol’jin had been to one to kill Garrosh Bwonsamdi would have claimed his soul.
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it’s settled then. i’m going to heaven.
speaking of vol’jin, did anyone who watched the vid notice he’s lurking in the background?
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Personally I’m wondering if Bwonsamdi could claim Sylvanas now. I mean, we don’t know what Sylvanas’ deal with Helya was, or if that gives Helya a claim over Sylvanas’ soul.
Of course maybe that’s Sylvanas’ goal here. Make deals with all of the death gods so when it comes to collect they all want her soul but they all have a claim to it so they can’t figure out who gets it.
I mean, there is a Hell in the Warcraft universe. it is a layer of the Shadowlands though.
I love how Sylvanas not so subtly sneered at the idea of the Zandalari being equals. But since the Horde is now canonically ‘losing on all fronts,’ I guess even she will have to swallow her pride to keep them on board…for now anyways.
I have a feeling Talanji won’t be too happy later on once she realizes there are no ‘equals’ in the Horde unless the Warchief decides you are.
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The real news to me is that he has coveted a Warchief’s spirit for a long time.
For how long? Perhaps even as Thrall ruled? And to what purpose?
The fact that Bwonsamdi wants a Warchief’s spirit, and is concerned that his “boss” wont like that Vol’jin’s soul is not claimed… makes me leery of his intentions.
At this point, I trust Sylvanas more than Eyir, Bwonsamdi, or Bolvar.
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Bwonsamdi may or not want Sylvanas but certainly, he wants to keep his position as head loa of Zandalari Empire.
Talanji killing the Horde Warchief would probably put Zandalari in a much worse position than they were previously.
So Bwonsamdi gives her this impossible task to be the only thing that can make him let go of his bargain with the royal bloodline of Zandalar.
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So Bwonsamdi is gonna cuck Nathanos?
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Going by that video it’s pretty much confirmed that Vol’jin is a loa now. All of the other loa, even the ones we haven’t seen on Zandalar yet, were gathered around Zanchul (even if they were only there in spirit). Vol’jin wasn’t just lurking in the shadows, he was chilling right next to Bwonsamdi.
“Bwonsamdi wants Sylvanas”
Unfortunately everyone wants Sylvanas, he’s gonna have to go allllllll the way to the end of the line.
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The Zandalari aren’t in the Horde, though. They are allied with the Horde. Talanji, for example, hasn’t taken the oath that the Horde racial leaders do.
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Maybe the Warchief’s soul was like a collector’s item. The leader of a rising new faction.
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There is no hell.
Sylvanas didn’t experience true death in icecrown, it was a trick of Yogg-saron and/or the Valkyr.
Even if this is not true, it’s more likely she just went to the Shadowlands or the void.
So what was Vol’jin, chopped liver? I know Bwonsamdi supposedly lost his soul, but this makes it sound like he never had it.
Um…if you’re referring to the scene where Talanji says she won’t swear an oath, Sylvanas didn’t sneer.
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Yeah. If anything her reaction was more like, “Yes! Finally, someone with balls!”
I appreciate the dichotomy between that encounter and the one with Mayla where Sylvanas says, “I expect your loyalty and obedience” and Mayla is just like, “um, ok?”
It’s sad that all it took to actually make Talanji a sort of interesting character was to have Rastakhan die.
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Or maybe she was being dragged back into the Scourge’s collective “host of souls.” It would make a for fitting sort of karmic justice if what she saw there was Arthas’ soul trapped within the Scourge, condemned to be eternally tormented by the Damned souls of the victims he was responsible for killing and enslaving.
After all, in retrospect it would be kind of odd for her to go to “Hell” and just so happen to stumble across Arthas’ spirit right there, in a realm presumably inhabited by countless souls from all over the world (if not the universe.) Especially since it wasn’t just Arthas’ soul; all of the other entities seemed particularly focused on afflicting him, as if it were personal.
I honestly have to wonder if what she experienced during her death at the base of Icecrown Citadel was a glimpse of the “place” in which the Damned, maddened souls of the Scourge are imprisoned. It could readily explain one of the val’kyr being able to take her place there, as at the time they were themselves still tethered to the Scourge, and arguably moving souls in and out of that “pool” of spirits to empower new undead was already part of their function as servants of the Lich King.
We already knew this that if other higher powers claim you there are loop holes, such as the Argent Knight the Narru saved.
Also if he wanted a Warchief so badly he should have gotten off his spectral *** and helped stop Blackhand, Doomhammer, or Garrosh.
Alternatively watched out for Voljin better, so he would have been able to warn him when something began cutting off the Loa at Broken Shore.
